I've been saying this all along. The Envoy pilot group as a whole owes SM a huge thank you. The work he did is nothing short of incredible and the haters are right here on this forum trying to pick apart everything he has done to garner attention and bring the most qualified applicants to Envoy.

You actually being serious? I watched a good minute of it and couldn’t stop laughing. He was encouraging inspiring pilots to continue training. So usually that would result in anyone dressing in a professional manner? As a pilot recruiter would you show up to a university in a turtleneck sweater. The guy looks like he’s attending a cocktail party. Fairly certain he even got his eyebrows waxed.

To be honest these youtube influencers are out of control, but it’s not my judgement call. He does fit in line with the piedmont way, him and Pilot Dre... seem to be more focused on the attention and advertisements than actual recruiting aspect.

As I’ve stated prior, at least SM’s YouTube channel is done professionally with phenomenal editing, actually impressed by his editing skills more than anything else.

Wrong, they do not owe him anything. The reality is he doesn’t believe he owes the pilot group anything as well. SM video’s are for his own self interests whether it affects the pilot group or not.

Last statement is false, you obviously drink a gallon of koolaid everyday. Each regional has qualified pilots that chose a specific airline for their own self interests.

Umm, I could care less that he has a turtleneck sweater and his eyebrows waxed. He's not dressed like a slob, which should really be the only criteria for judging ones wardrobe. I have no idea what the Piedmont way is or who Pilot Dre is and only vaguely know who SM is. Any sort of ambassador for the profession is a good thing in my opinion. It certainly didn't exist when I started. Anyway, just stating that it's weird that it bothers you so much...but hey different strokes for different folks

Please step away from the computer and wipe that Swayne sauce from your chin.

Still don’t understand your issue with him.. The man likes to look clean with his hair and brows done. Go take a nap or something, brotha.

Swayne > Garrett

Swayne right away put out a comment saying that the United flight is why there should always be two qualified pilots on the flight deck. Swayne is much less of a fool than Garrett and seems to be in touch with reality. One peddles logbook apps, the other is selling boner pills.

"Still don’t understand your issue with him.. The man likes to look clean with his hair and brows done. Go take a nap or something, brotha"

Just because he puts on a good front doesnt mean he isnt a Delta Bravo. Some people put on a good show but behind closed doors their true colors come out. Not saying swayne does this but his over the top cheerleading for the company is annoying. if this doesnt bother you then you are clueless.

Was he fired?

Nope. Promoted to Director of Brand Management and now reports to Devon May at AAG.

If this is accurate, it is slightly disturbing.

I was being sarcastic, but it’s not out of the realm of possibility.

I was Jumpseating on a mainline flight, and the captain asked if I knew KS(former fo ny union rep) That kid definitely made himself no reputation! As usual, you don’t hear good things about him. These cadets are an embarrassment to the ‘voy

The stories I’ve heard about this kid are unbelievable. Sounds like a first class db. Only concerned about himself and willing to screw fellow pilots over for his advancement. These cadets are something else.

I don’t understand the shade for the cadets. God forbid they wanted to fly for Envoy.

They don't, they want to fly for American.

You think a cadet who went to Embry Riddle or UND is banking on a flow?

Please cease and desist talking about the cadets, you're making THkooj unhappy and upset. Cadets are the sharpest tools in the shed™

KS was not a cadet instructor.

You think they went to Envoy, because they spent all that money at Riddle chasing the dream of flying for.... Envoy?

Yeah of course, you didn’t grow up wanting to be a regional pilot?
But in all seriousness recruitment played a great ground game, bases are decent, SNJ’s, great travel benefits. Heck they were flying 175’s full of BBQ from Dallas up to some of these schools. And then I guess flow is a “safety net” if botch any interviews.

I guess i see things differently. Ya, he’s made some missteps, but the dude is like 24... who didn’t have some F ups in their ear,y 20s.

Why are we talking about people who aren’t Swayne on this?

Anyone from the outside reading this thread would never tell the difference about the commentary and it’s not even about him...

KS is a massive tool who uses people for advancement. I was once friends with the guy before his days at envoy and he made friends with to get something. After I introduced him to some people at AA, he stopped all communications with me and blocked me everywhere. It’s funny, all KS does is hang out with mainline crews. He’s a brown noser who is trying to get to the next level as quickly as possible.

You think kids who went to ERAU or UND have a better shot at a major interview than anyone else?

Alumni connections and the resulting internal recommendations probably do give a bit of a leg up.

Very often it's not what you but who you know.

Very often? More like 95% of the time lol. I can only speak for one company but I can tell you that going to a certain flight school changes absolutely nothing in the selection process. The vast majority of people conducting the hiring process are military/the vast majority of people hired ots are mil. Maybe you guys know about hiring at a company that's not AA?

"You think kids who went to ERAU or UND have a better shot at a major interview than anyone else?"

they have a better shot at rolling one off the end.

All the more that shows he is too immature to be a captain.

Most companies, pre-covid, were deliberately try to strike a balance between mil and civ. Mil guys were getting harder to find, and I guess they didn't want a rep for "hires only fighter pilots" which would discourage qualified civilians from applying. I certainly prioritized my app updating based on know hiring practices.

AA knows they're getting a lot of civ via flow, so they're apparently trying to maintain a cultural balance by hiring mostly mil OTS.

Thats fair, but I still don’t think going to embryo riddle is gonna get you a class date anywhere...

Historically, and generally I would agree but DL at least was starting to show a slight preference for aviation university grads, or at least giving them bonus points in app scoring.

No indication that applies anywhere else, and I would not attend a brand-name aviation university just to get possible preference, or the R-ATP... there are much cheaper ways to do that. If money is no option, sure why, not do a package deal. Although if it were me I'd look somewhere other than Prescott... I drove through on a camping trip and it didn't like there were any coeds in sight.

I think we’re going to see a big change in the flight training landscape. Far fewer mom and pop shops and more part 141 schools. That said, still could be a part 141 school at a small local airport. If I were to do it again, and with the 1500 hour rule, I’d look in that direction.


Just saw “embryo riddle”, thanks iPhone. I kinda like it

Did it occur to you that they were all hiding from the creepy old guy cruising through looking for co-eds?

Kidding, of course.

Yes all day long

But you waited for the flow ? Just wanted to work for AA I take it?

Quote: Originally Posted by sanicom3205 View Post
You think kids who went to ERAU or UND have a better shot at a major interview than anyone else?The facts are that the pipeline university cadets at Envoy have far and away exceeded their initial expectations. In fact, it went so well that the bar had to be raised. Significantly. These cadets were flying circles around military aviators and Part 91 Joe's. I know, I've seen the stats. Essentially, the university trains them for a 121 flying career and they literally show up on day one and hit the ground running. The other motivator here is a career at American Airlines right out of the gate. So you can say that AA has actually done far better at hiring the university aviators than Delta as was mentioned in an earlier post. AA figured out this little secret when they saw how well the pipeline cadets were performing. After finally flushing all the lifers out in the future, I can see Envoy being 100% pipeline cadets.

What you say makes perfect sense.

What doesn't make ANY sense is how ERAU and a few others can justify charging an arm, leg and a first born when its so apparent that going there vs a mom and pop school with college on the side will suffice just fine (heck, you could get a seniority number, (pre COVID at least) a lot faster by waiting till the regionals to do college online) while spending probably just 25 cents on the dollar, if that!

I mean has ERAU brainwashed young aviations and parents THAT much? I'd love to hear any explanation from anyone, because I sure as heck can't figure out why.