Swayne will be at mainline before all of us and with no pic time.

Oof! Kinda hard to swallow this pill.

He's nice to your face, who cares what he's really thinking if he can also fly the airplane? I do think he'll get picked up faster than most, but having been in more mainline jumpseats than usual lately I can imagine he'll enjoy the job less - those guys are way less filtered, comfortably nestled in a career destination job with a strong union.

You are like 2 classes from flow IIRC. Just watch Swayne will be senior to you.

Speaking of which, have any of the selected pilots started getting class dates at AA yet?
On the AA thread they were saying that CJOs were getting class dates.

Can’t neither confirm nor deny. You should bid for a turn with me :)

Nah, Swayne is senior to you at the ‘voy and will be senior to you at AA. Oof!!

he doesn’t fit the profile to be capable of that.

Goodness me. Why the animosity on here towards a guy who is working hard to better himself and provide a good life for his future?
Does it really matter if he makes Youtube videos or has an instagram following? And who gives a flying bleep what he did in his younger days. I have, as I'm sure a lot of you have as well, done some questionable things in your younger days.
It really is like talking to my 4 year old and having to explain why she shouldn't call someone a bad name.
Grow up guys.
Swayne doesn't deserve this.
This will probably fall on deaf ears but, if it helps one of you see sense then thats a win in my books.
Have a nice day

I personally hope he puts that UND degree and his networking to use and gets hired at DELTA just to spite everyone who talks so much crap about him. It would be the ultimate betrayal to Envoy/AA and allow him villain status which he can use to focus his energy while on the path to the darkside.

The anger towards him has nothing to do with what he did in his younger days, what he does in his off time or what sexual preferences he has.

This all started when he was actively making recruitment videos for Envoy when the company had just broke an LOA agreement we had in place.

It was seen as helping the company while the company was not abiding by an agreement we had in place. Let’s stop dragging this into territory that it doesn’t belong.

Fair enough. I agree with most of your post but, look back a few posts and someone literally mentioned the fact he was on grindr in his college days. That is not at all relevant to anything.
Now I don't like a scab or "company man", just as much as the next guy but everyone is entitled to do as they please. You know as well as I do that some guys and girls will position themselves to climb the ladder through becoming management etc.
If that's the case with Swayne then so be it. I PERSONALLY don't think he should be bagged and have his name dragged through the mud on a public forum because some on here don't like him.
I'm sure despite his different views on how to conduct himself in a heavily unionised industry, that he is a nice guy.
If people have a problem with him say it to his face and deal with it person to person. People need to stop hiding behind a keyboard.
Just my 2 cents.

I am trying more and more to ignore idiots as it only gives them more fuel, so I didn’t bother reading every post leading up to this. . I agree with what you are saying, but just like Swayne we can also choose how we feel. At the time when all of this came up originally, the wound was pretty deep and the anger between the company/pilot group was palpable. Him deciding to drop a recruitment ad almost on cue was off putting.

I am no longer with Envoy and wish you all the best, including him, however I didn’t want this to devolve into something it wasn’t. 99.99999% of the pilot groups could care less about his personal life, this was about the specific situation I referenced above.

Take care.

I can see why it comes across as recruitment videos, but at its core, it’s not. It’s the same style of videos is consistent with his 135 days. It’s always been about the lifestyle, do’s and don’t’s, etc...

Why Envoy allows it, idk, but it’s not any different than before Envoy. It’s just done with high quality and awesome editing. He does mention the bad parts of the industry, but always keeps it positive. Because let’s face it, the Lord knows Envoy is better than instructing.

You’re right. His videos are not meant to convince people to come to Envoy. They are fairly accurate depictions of what a regional pilot does. He doesn’t deserve the hate... and while he may have been a participant in a very commonly used gay app... he has been in a committed relationship for a while now. He is also wayyy less of a company man than you think. Stop hating on the guy. He has done good things for himself, and he is mostly a line pilot. Also, if you got **** to say... come in person. I consider Swayne a good friend, and a genuine person.

I still contend he’s not the same as some celebrity as this forum treats him. He’s one of us. You can look him up, find him, and talk to him personally. Alternatively, you can comment in the content section of his videos. Hiding behind a screen name here and launching personal attacks is chicken ****.

I’ve never met him so I’m not defending a ‘friend’. I’m just commenting on how this thread sounds to me as I read it.

MOD INPUT: I think most of you get it now, but let's knock off all discussion of his personal private life, that's only a legit topic if somebody gets arrested for it.

Thanks

Thank you. I am sure that many of the fools who run their mouths here probably have all sorts of stupid crap documented that they did in their fraternities, the military or with the slumpbuster that they drug out of a bar in BUF. The only thing that matters is if you can spend four days with someone and not want to kill them and if they are a safe/competent pilot. Other than that, I do not give a crap about what the person next to me does or did in the past with their personal life.

wow, jealous much?

not totally unreasonable, they beat us over the head with the social media policy here.

Not in the military, not since about the mid-80's. They'll run you right out for the slightest impropriety these days.

Well SM is a cool kid and his videos are quite educative to prospective cadets. I'll choose him over the other one selling ED pills with a paid to view content.

Ah, Gen Z, what a great generation. Can’t live a day without getting some type of justification from social media. Put down the bull**** and live your life. No one cares about your YouTube series.

I can actually agree with that.

Envoy allows it because it IS FREE ADVERTISING. Yes, he produces a good product and Envoy approves the videos he puts out because they have Envoy on them. And not to beat a dead horse but MOST people have a gripe about the fact that Envoy has a VERY restrictive social media policy to the point that a lot of people won’t even post any pictures that could possibly tie them to the company for fear that something unrelated will get them in hot water and here is a kid that has a blessing to take all these videos. And then there is the issue of him putting out those videos, that are undeniably Envoy advertising, while the company was busting the pilot’s b@!!s about pay issues.

There were other individuals at Envoy who were warned about their videos. They weren’t negative, but they definitely didn’t have the polish and positive spin that SM’s videos had.

The other guys, while at WOs, were not at Envoy. Some that I saw, while did have some airline info, didn’t have the polish and were more about the individual. Would most people consider SM’s better, probably. Certainly better produced, but aimed at a different group. Both are financially benefiting from them though.

But whether or not you like the kid, or what he was doing with the videos, his personal life choices should be his personal life. This isn’t the place for those comments.

Just wait till he upgrades….sir the engine is on fire what shall we do?….duh get the youtube thumbnail shot ask the flight attendant to try and get a good one!

Hey, PR photo shots haven’t ever gone wrong...have they?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fCORwU...ature=youtu.be

Then the complaint is with the company, not with Swayne.

Yes, there is an issue with the company. But since you haven’t had the opportunity to be in a work group that is at a company with a contentious management group, you don’t understand how having an employee who does something that management allows and benefits only themselves and HARMS the REST of the workgroup feels.

And that’s is an issue with the INDIVIDUAL. If you want to do something to better yourself, go for it. UNLESS it is directly hurting those around you, which his actions were.

LOL him making videos is not hurting anyone... this is starting to get into snowflake / triggered / safe space territory.

Again, if the company is giving him an exception to the rules, then the complaint is with the company, not him.

https://i.ibb.co/rc9wrvG/B8-CD7-DE7-...EB23-F40-A.jpght

Do you know the context of the situation and the SPECIFIC events that are being referred to? If you stay in aviation, or likely any business, you will find yourself in a position where management is trying to do everything they can against the employee group. Meanwhile an INDIVIDUAL is doing something that benefits himself and management because management allows it. Tell me you won’t be more than a little miffed at the INDIVIDUAL as well as the company.

Yeah, I know, you don’t have to be a snowflake to be all about yourself.

So one (1) of 2500 pilots is putting up videos that management believes might be helpful to them in recruiting new pilots (because it’s AA selling the tickets after all) and that sticks in your craw somehow?

And you seriously believe ‘management is trying to do everything they can against the employee group? If so, they’d seem to be the ones to be mad about.

You don’t get it. First, ANY mainline selling the tickets doesn’t have anything to do with recruiting.

But in this particular instance, yes those videos were aimed at the SAME (and biggest) market that Envoy was targeting for recruitment.

I sure hope you don’t ever accept any benefit from a collective bargaining agreement and everyone who worked to make those benefits and conditions better for THE ENTIRE group. You need to find a nice mom and pop place to work where your wages and benefits are only based on what you can work out with them directly.

Oh, get real. You got gripes with your company? Who doesn’t? There are ALWAYS things that could be improved. Being butt hurt because a coworker has a long standing side gig that benefits the company?
Pathetic.

Directed less at your post Excargodog and more to the one at the top of the page.

Eh, it’s more than that. Around this same time we had one or two pilots disciplined for YouTube content and a massive no social media campaign went into effect. We had constant letters and emails sent about social media and how we shouldn’t associate whatsoever with the company, going so far as to not even say you work for them in your bio.

Ok fair enough, most companies have some sort of policy, but then SM got a pass, all the while the company decided to essentially void an LOA we had in place. So the OPTICS of this all was he was getting a social media pass because his videos in many ways acted like a recruitment message.

When you couple that with him being able to earn additional income from this said venture, an opportunity that the rest of the pilot group is not afforded, people became irritated at the double standard and the videos acting as de-facto recruitment ads while the company was acting very much against the interests of the pilot group.

So long story short, this isn’t about being snowflakes anymore than it is about his personal life, but rather rooted in very real issues. I am no longer even at this company but I was around when this happened and felt some more clarity needed to be added. I don’t imagine I will be back for more, however it would be slightly ignorant for people to just say everyone is being overly sensitive. Sure the issue has mostly passed, but at the time it was very real.

Again, the gripe is against the company, NOT the individual. And if the issue has indeed ‘mostly passed,’ the reasonable thing would seem to be to LET IT PASS, not nurse a grievance against an individual who is NOT responsible for company policies or disciplinary actions against coworkers.

Time to let it die, not continue a thread castigating the guy. One can, I suppose, nurse grudges until they die of old age, then have them stuffed and displayed in the den. But eventually, over the course of one’s life, the den becomes cluttered and people start to look at you strange. And that’s what is starting to happen.

Let it go.

Oh I have, could care less really at this point. My intention was to add clarity to the issue at the time it happened. Not really sure why it was brought back up again.

If you guys are right that the target audience is cadets, I think Swayne's videos have had a net negative effect on recruiting.