Here Comes Swayne
12-02-2020 | 05:54 PM
#831
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As someone who previously worked at a regional before moving on, I can personally tell you all about how supply and demand can serious destroy QOL and overall moral at a company. Management at essentially every company has done nothing but spent every minute of every day to find a new way to create concessions. The new trick is to have individuals like SM feed the roster without increasing pay or work rules.
12-02-2020 | 06:55 PM
#832
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1. He is a union member with all of the benefits of said union.
2. He at times makes videos that run contrary to the goals of that union.
3. He is afforded an opportunity that as far as I know, no other pilot on staff is allowed, thus not allowing us to start a business like this if we wanted to.
If he wants to make videos and show how great Envoy is all the while they are paying him for it, great, just do it with the tag that you are classed as "management". This concept shouldn't be that hard to understand, I don't see the issue other than people are wanting it to be so desperately about the person and not the issue at hand. I hate to break it to you, none of us care what he does in his personal life.
12-04-2020 | 08:46 AM
#833
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From: Semi-Retired...
In fact, you couldn't be more wrong. I have said it before and will say it again.
1. He is a union member with all of the benefits of said union.
2. He at times makes videos that run contrary to the goals of that union.
3. He is afforded an opportunity that as far as I know, no other pilot on staff is allowed, thus not allowing us to start a business like this if we wanted to.
If he wants to make videos and show how great Envoy is all the while they are paying him for it, great, just do it with the tag that you are classed as "management". This concept shouldn't be that hard to understand, I don't see the issue other than people are wanting it to be so desperately about the person and not the issue at hand. I hate to break it to you, none of us care what he does in his personal life.
1. He is a union member with all of the benefits of said union.
2. He at times makes videos that run contrary to the goals of that union.
3. He is afforded an opportunity that as far as I know, no other pilot on staff is allowed, thus not allowing us to start a business like this if we wanted to.
If he wants to make videos and show how great Envoy is all the while they are paying him for it, great, just do it with the tag that you are classed as "management". This concept shouldn't be that hard to understand, I don't see the issue other than people are wanting it to be so desperately about the person and not the issue at hand. I hate to break it to you, none of us care what he does in his personal life.
12-06-2020 | 02:44 AM
#834
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Don’t hate the player,hate the game.
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12-06-2020 | 08:07 AM
#835
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There are a few soap boxes I will continue to stand on. Most of the people hating on him are doing so because of WHO he is, which while not my thing, everyone should be able to do there own thing as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone else. But the rest of us are hating on WHAT he is doing because that HAS hurt the Envoy pilot group.
12-06-2020 | 01:48 PM
#836
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There are a few soap boxes I will continue to stand on. Most of the people hating on him are doing so because of WHO he is, which while not my thing, everyone should be able to do there own thing as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone else. But the rest of us are hating on WHAT he is doing because that HAS hurt the Envoy pilot group.
12-06-2020 | 03:21 PM
#837
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There are a few soap boxes I will continue to stand on. Most of the people hating on him are doing so because of WHO he is, which while not my thing, everyone should be able to do there own thing as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone else. But the rest of us are hating on WHAT he is doing because that HAS hurt the Envoy pilot group.
12-06-2020 | 04:02 PM
#838
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To those that think this is some sort of violation against ALPA, is this your first airline? I have never seen any ALPA contract that would prevent what he is doing. Any ALPA is permitted to have another job. In this case, Swayne's other job is with the same company. That isn't unique. I've created training material that an airline liked and bought it. How is that different?
12-06-2020 | 04:24 PM
#839
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From: CRJ9 CA
To those that think this is some sort of violation against ALPA, is this your first airline? I have never seen any ALPA contract that would prevent what he is doing. Any ALPA is permitted to have another job. In this case, Swayne's other job is with the same company. That isn't unique. I've created training material that an airline liked and bought it. How is that different?
12-06-2020 | 04:28 PM
#840
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I don't. I'm just trying to let people know that even if he was an ALPA member, there is no reason why he can't also work with management. I'm sure Envoy has a pilot recruitment department that has several ALPA pilots in it. They go to colleges and tell people how great Envoy is. That is exactly what Swayne is doing.
