Just give him the title of Pilot Recruiter and call it good

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You are grasping at straws. Are you new to 121? Do you realize that management pilots do delivery flights and maintenance flights? What about when an airline brings a plane to an airshow? How do you think that is handled? What Swayne is doing is no different. If your contract has something that specifically prevents management from assigning pilots to non-revenue flights, then you would have a case. I have never seen that before and I would be surprised that Envoy and ALPA would look the other way, so I am going to assume the Envoy contract does not prevent management from picking pilots for special projects that also involves operating aircraft. Again, did you also complain when some pilots are picked to work tables at career fairs?

 

Ummmm pretty sure we can hate both equally. This is America after all.

 

Queue the dingbats.

"THIS IS AMERICA"
"I HAVE THE RIGHT TO HATE"
"PELOSI CAN'T TAKE THAT AWAY FROM ME"

Maybe we can get this thread closed, like some people have been asking for for... years? Has it been years yet?

 

Summary;

Outside pilot accuses Envoy pilots of grasping at straws, supports argument with guesses and assumptions.

 

Are my assumptions (based on 3 ALPA carriers and 5 contracts) wrong? Does the Envoy contract actually restrict line pilots from taking part in pilot recruitment? Does Envoy contract place limits on what pilots can operate for non-revune flights?

 

I don’t really care either way but the thought crossed my mind regarding our contract and OT/reserve assignments for OT. Unless the trips are being assigned specifically as “SA”? Although that could potentially spiral back to providing an opportunity not available to everyone else. Even then, I don’t know the full story on that nor do I care enough to look all of that stuff up in the contract.

 

That's the problem. Everyone thinks what he is doing is wrong, but is too lazy or uninformed to look it up. Airlines are able to create nonrevenue flights without any input from ALPA. Airlines can pick pilots for these flights. I will ask this again, who do you think performs delivery flights, flights to air shows, or flights to colleges for pilot recruitment? This idea that Envoy has to offer every line pilot the same opportunity is false. What Swayne is doing is outside of revenue flying and is not subject to ALPA. Do you also claim unfairness when Envoy picks pilots to conduct interviews?

 

So again, I do not care about SM or his videos. I simply posted some ideas based off of our contract that might help somebody else figure out a better argument against his videos. I think I read earlier that you are not a part of envoy and don’t have our contract. We’ve got some different OT rules than the norm, and while you are correct that the airline can create flights at their leisure I was simply stating that there could possibly be an argument that it goes against the contract when assigning said OT trips for his filming purposes as he is not a management pilot. Maybe you do not know this but the pilots who do interviews are designated to work in the recruitment office and are not normal line pilots who are randomly asked to come in on a day off to conduct interviews. Maybe you also do not know this but delivery flights are usually picked up from the factory by, you guessed it, pilots designated as management pilots (meaning that they have special designation and another job title other than line pilot) or by pilots on reserve in accordance with the reserve rules outlined in the, you guessed it again, ALPA contract. So nonrevenue flying here actually does fall under the ALPA contract to an extent.

Everyone thinks they know everything about everything until they realize that they don’t.

 

So the majority of your accusations are solved if Envoy gives Swayne a title. How do you know they didn't? He has been doing this for years, this thread gets a lot of attention, do you think ALPA isn't aware? Rather than throwing uninformed accusations around, contact your ALPA rep and get to the bottom of it. The accusations on this thread are very serious. Every few months, there is an airline pilot trying to make it on youtube. Most get shut down pretty quickly because they end up violating a company policy. The fact that Swayne has been doing this for so long with so much attention makes me think ALPA is aware and doesn't care.