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Old 12-08-2020 | 04:04 PM
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This topic has been beaten to death and now you’ve enticed Cuj out of his lair to offer up some wildly inaccurate and ridiculous statements and he doesn’t even work here. SM is WELL within his rights to do this and you guys really should be THANKING him. Yes, those videos help recruitment where I’ve worked in the past. Let me tell you it is not an easy job.
Old 12-08-2020 | 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by dera
I've been occasionally involved with ALPA, and I have no clue what you are talking about.
No arbitrator would ever side with the association over a pilot who occasionally does S/As for recruiting purposes.
According to Varsity, Swayne is violating the contract according to Section 24. Arbitrators don't care if the contract is violated only occasionally. A violation is a violation. I have had grievances filed for as little as 4 minutes of flight time and won.

Either Swayne is violating the contract or he isn't. If he is, then there is no excuse why ALPA would allow it to continue.
Old 12-08-2020 | 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
Apples & oranges. He is not a management pilot. You think a management pilot bids a line and flys 75 hours a month, having multiple FDP's?
I was just listing examples to counter those on this thread that think ALPA pilots can't do anything in addition to line flying.

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If the company takes him off on S/A to do a specific flight that's pretty much management rights. So is the rest of what he's doing. They can remove and pay protect a guy, then stick SM in on a flight under S/A pretty much at will... (assuming the rules haven't changed much since I left)
That was my point. Management can pick pilots to do other tasks outside of line flying. And management does not need to make those opportunities available to all. They can be as selective as they want.
Old 12-08-2020 | 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by THKooj
This topic has been beaten to death and now you’ve enticed Cuj out of his lair to offer up some wildly inaccurate and ridiculous statements and he doesn’t even work here. SM is WELL within his rights to do this and you guys really should be THANKING him. Yes, those videos help recruitment where I’ve worked in the past. Let me tell you it is not an easy job.
This is comical given your post/prediction history.
Lots of free time on your hands lately?
Old 12-08-2020 | 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine
According to Varsity, Swayne is violating the contract according to Section 24. Arbitrators don't care if the contract is violated only occasionally. A violation is a violation. I have had grievances filed for as little as 4 minutes of flight time and won.

Either Swayne is violating the contract or he isn't. If he is, then there is no excuse why ALPA would allow it to continue.
I can almost guarantee you did not have a grievance over 4 minutes. Or that it was seen by an arbitrator. You might want to check your terminology.

I do not see how he is violating the contract.

If someone thinks he is, they should file a dispute and show harm.
We have quite a few pilots on occasional S/As for various reasons.
Old 12-08-2020 | 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by HalyardJammer
Try to have some critical thinking skills before you start opening your mouth as to people's motives.

lmao nice.

Waaaa waaaa waaa. This thread really shows y’all’s culture over at Envoy. Sad stuff.
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Old 12-08-2020 | 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Lahey
lmao nice.

Waaaa waaaa waaa. This thread really shows y’all’s culture over at Envoy. Sad stuff.
And you show your small mindedness by thinking a few posts in APC defines a culture.
Sad stuff.
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Old 12-08-2020 | 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by dera
And you show your small mindedness by thinking a few posts in APC defines a culture.
Sad stuff.

wouldn’t call it a few posts - but you certainly have a point, touché. def the minority around here.
Old 12-08-2020 | 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by dera
I can almost guarantee you did not have a grievance over 4 minutes. Or that it was seen by an arbitrator. You might want to check your terminology.

I do not see how he is violating the contract.

If someone thinks he is, they should file a dispute and show harm.
We have quite a few pilots on occasional S/As for various reasons.

Would seeking to film a cockpit of a parked aircraft for a kid's Zoom class and being denied by Envoy considered harm?

Why can Swayne film for his own profit, while other pilots can't even film a parked airplane for educational purposes?

Where is the equal protection?
Old 12-08-2020 | 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Varsity
Would seeking to film a cockpit of a parked aircraft for a kid's Zoom class and being denied by Envoy considered harm?

Why can Swayne film for his own profit, while other pilots can't even film a parked airplane for educational purposes?

Where is the equal protection?
If you were harmed in a material way (usually this is considered either losing time off or money), yes. I do not think that would qualify.

Swayne can film because company allows him.

There is no equal protection under the RLA.

This falls under management rights. Swayne is not the only pilot doing S/As, and when he is bought off his trips, bunch of line pilots pick up his stuff at 150%. Kinda hard to show real harm to our pilots. I don't have the latest number, but 2019 it was around 50 pilots who did recruitment trips as S/As. Swayne wasn't even the most active one.

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