New FO
09-15-2018 | 12:52 AM
#34
In a land of unicorns
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From: Whale FO
Talking about the dump this place used to be in the past like it means everything is fine is silly. Past Envoy/Eagle is not competing with Envoy for new hires and would not survive in this market.
New hires keep lining up around the schoolhouse, based somewhat on false promises of five year flows and gauranteed 175 DFW high QOL slots. If recruitiment is the only voice on how life as an Envoy FO is, people will keep coming and nothing will ever change, or maybe the company eventually decides the situation is too rich and comes up with a concessionary contract.
New hires keep lining up around the schoolhouse, based somewhat on false promises of five year flows and gauranteed 175 DFW high QOL slots. If recruitiment is the only voice on how life as an Envoy FO is, people will keep coming and nothing will ever change, or maybe the company eventually decides the situation is too rich and comes up with a concessionary contract.
They were very honest and upfront about it, they also said don't rely on flow and always keep your applications up to date everywhere, and go to the major that calls you first, only keep the flow as a backup.
09-15-2018 | 02:40 AM
#36
Gets Weekends Off
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I don't know who promises five year flows. Recruiters said 7-8 years should be realistic.
They were very honest and upfront about it, they also said don't rely on flow and always keep your applications up to date everywhere, and go to the major that calls you first, only keep the flow as a backup.
They were very honest and upfront about it, they also said don't rely on flow and always keep your applications up to date everywhere, and go to the major that calls you first, only keep the flow as a backup.
09-15-2018 | 08:57 AM
#37
In a land of unicorns
Joined: Apr 2014
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From: Whale FO
The "lead" recruiter had one day left before he goes to American, he was a 2006ish hire.
4 people, 3 got the offer. They said they are pretty selective with the FO recruiting at the moment.
09-15-2018 | 09:33 AM
#38
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2 years ago when they talked about a 2.5 year upgrade didn't everyone snicker? Now we've blown that number out of the water. DEC wasn't even in our vocabulary back then. All I'm saying..is that Ric and Company have a model they use to get these numbers. They don't pull them out of thin air.
09-15-2018 | 10:27 AM
#39
Gets Weekends Off
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2 years ago when they talked about a 2.5 year upgrade didn't everyone snicker? Now we've blown that number out of the water. DEC wasn't even in our vocabulary back then. All I'm saying..is that Ric and Company have a model they use to get these numbers. They don't pull them out of thin air.
Their model is based on "historic attrition rates" - I wonder if Ric and company are going to threaten another comm air 2 in order to achieve that attrition rate.
