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09-13-2018, 08:03 AM
#22
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Most of the CA's I've flown with have been DECs, all have been ExpressJet or people who left flying and came back with only one exception from Mesa. It will be interesting to see how the company reacts to this, if it does.
D2T is a standby priority code that puts you above D2 (normal commuter) because you are a "through" passenger, on the list for the flight as a connection rather than the first/only leg.
D2T is a standby priority code that puts you above D2 (normal commuter) because you are a "through" passenger, on the list for the flight as a connection rather than the first/only leg.
09-13-2018, 03:18 PM
#24
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Originally Posted by SilentLurker
Speaking of going elsewhere....
This place is not half terrible,yet still it has so much potential to be better. I came in at the right time, with the right equipment/base for better QOL than many others.
For those who will say shut up, they had it worse. My response will be: Shouldn’t you try to make this place better for the next guy after you? Or would you rather get yours and pull the ladder up because it’s a “regional” and every NH must get screwed and pay their dues to the company like you did?
This place is not half terrible,yet still it has so much potential to be better. I came in at the right time, with the right equipment/base for better QOL than many others.
For those who will say shut up, they had it worse. My response will be: Shouldn’t you try to make this place better for the next guy after you? Or would you rather get yours and pull the ladder up because it’s a “regional” and every NH must get screwed and pay their dues to the company like you did?
So yeah I laugh when I hear the new guys complain because they didn't get the 175 or reserve was six or eight months in DFW. And to be honest I'm glad you had a good experience.
09-13-2018, 05:20 PM
#25
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Originally Posted by Pedro4President
No one is pulling up the ladder. We did make it better for the next guy. Reserve is a fraction of what it use to be. Pay is 3x what it use to be. Unlimited commuter hotels for three months for LGA and A passes. Seriously what are you talking about? New guys get to upgrade without a seat lock or CA pay from day one.
So yeah I laugh when I hear the new guys complain because they didn't get the 175 or reserve was six or eight months in DFW. And to be honest I'm glad you had a good experience.
So yeah I laugh when I hear the new guys complain because they didn't get the 175 or reserve was six or eight months in DFW. And to be honest I'm glad you had a good experience.
I agree with much of what you just said with exceptions
Market forces were the primary driver and justification for the changes listed above with the help of hardworking men & women industry-wide of course. Both company and union members (both old and new members) have benefited.
Envoy could NOT produce the outcome it has for AAG if those old Rsv rules & old pay rates you mentioned existed today. The business is better managed than it use to be, the economy is totally different from it use to be. It was not just Aviation industry’s suffering back then! One way or another things would have changed! Either flow or pay or both.... We got a little bit of both.
Market leverage. Without it you would have been right. Things “could” have been better back then. Luck, timing, market forces. Hell you will flow to mainline before we know it and take your place amongst the Aviation God.
It’s ok to ask for more and expect more, than what it use to be. I’m sure in yester year it was said how lucky you guys were and how it use to be more “Ratchet” at some early point in your career.
My point is it’s ok to expect more, dream bigger, fight, and keep fighting expecting more better. NH’s are not satisfied, that’s great for our industry! It’s not complaining, hell many more folks should have been complaining years ago, but market forces did not allow it. Now they do!
“It’s a new day in America.” ~ Pres. Ronald Regan
Last edited by SilentLurker; 09-13-2018 at 05:33 PM.
09-14-2018, 04:49 AM
#26
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Talking about the dump this place used to be in the past like it means everything is fine is silly. Past Envoy/Eagle is not competing with Envoy for new hires and would not survive in this market.
New hires keep lining up around the schoolhouse, based somewhat on false promises of five year flows and gauranteed 175 DFW high QOL slots. If recruitiment is the only voice on how life as an Envoy FO is, people will keep coming and nothing will ever change, or maybe the company eventually decides the situation is too rich and comes up with a concessionary contract.
New hires keep lining up around the schoolhouse, based somewhat on false promises of five year flows and gauranteed 175 DFW high QOL slots. If recruitiment is the only voice on how life as an Envoy FO is, people will keep coming and nothing will ever change, or maybe the company eventually decides the situation is too rich and comes up with a concessionary contract.
09-14-2018, 06:03 AM
#27
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Originally Posted by NoValueAviator
New hires keep lining up around the schoolhouse, based somewhat on false promises of five year flows
