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11-29-2018 | 09:24 AM
#131
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What am I missing, and why would I end up going to the CRJ? I do understand CA CRJ is most junior, but I fail to understand what that has to do with the original question? Honestly, I only care about Envoy for the DFW base. I'm honestly only interested in my chance of getting DFW based, which the 175 seems best for. So, I guess, what are my chances of DEC being able to get awarded DEC as a new hire and also being able to hold DFW in that 175? Obviously there are no guarantees, but I'm wondering if that is a possibility.
11-29-2018 | 09:32 AM
#132
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Feb 2007
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From: Pawn
I'm honestly only interested in my chance of getting DFW based, which the 175 seems best for. So, I guess, what are my chances of DEC being able to get awarded DEC as a new hire and also being able to hold DFW in that 175? Obviously there are no guarantees, but I'm wondering if that is a possibility.
11-29-2018 | 09:46 AM
#133
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Joined: Feb 2018
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From: Resigned
When I was hired, people who had accepted the DEC bonus were allowed to bid for a new hire status based on class seniority, including FO seats, the NCE seats were only "offered."
DEC 175 DFW will not happen under any circumstances, that is the most senior seat in the company.
DEC 175 DFW will not happen under any circumstances, that is the most senior seat in the company.
11-29-2018 | 11:35 AM
#134
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I guess I am terribly misunderstanding something. You said "If I select 175 I will reduce the 175 slots offered to the rest of the class by 1"... Well yes, that is the way seniority works.
What am I missing, and why would I end up going to the CRJ? I do understand CA CRJ is most junior, but I fail to understand what that has to do with the original question? Honestly, I only care about Envoy for the DFW base. I'm honestly only interested in my chance of getting DFW based, which the 175 seems best for. So, I guess, what are my chances of DEC being able to get awarded DEC as a new hire and also being able to hold DFW in that 175? Obviously there are no guarantees, but I'm wondering if that is a possibility.
What am I missing, and why would I end up going to the CRJ? I do understand CA CRJ is most junior, but I fail to understand what that has to do with the original question? Honestly, I only care about Envoy for the DFW base. I'm honestly only interested in my chance of getting DFW based, which the 175 seems best for. So, I guess, what are my chances of DEC being able to get awarded DEC as a new hire and also being able to hold DFW in that 175? Obviously there are no guarantees, but I'm wondering if that is a possibility.
all the most junior captain in the company can hold.
11-29-2018 | 02:43 PM
#135
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Joined: Mar 2017
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I guess I am terribly misunderstanding something. You said "If I select 175 I will reduce the 175 slots offered to the rest of the class by 1"... Well yes, that is the way seniority works.
What am I missing, and why would I end up going to the CRJ? I do understand CA CRJ is most junior, but I fail to understand what that has to do with the original question? Honestly, I only care about Envoy for the DFW base. I'm honestly only interested in my chance of getting DFW based, which the 175 seems best for. So, I guess, what are my chances of DEC being able to get awarded DEC as a new hire and also being able to hold DFW in that 175? Obviously there are no guarantees, but I'm wondering if that is a possibility.
What am I missing, and why would I end up going to the CRJ? I do understand CA CRJ is most junior, but I fail to understand what that has to do with the original question? Honestly, I only care about Envoy for the DFW base. I'm honestly only interested in my chance of getting DFW based, which the 175 seems best for. So, I guess, what are my chances of DEC being able to get awarded DEC as a new hire and also being able to hold DFW in that 175? Obviously there are no guarantees, but I'm wondering if that is a possibility.
11-29-2018 | 07:25 PM
#136
In a land of unicorns
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 7,072
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From: Whale FO
Assuming you're a cadet/lucky with 0 qualifying 121/91k/135 time, and get DFL out of training. 21 months later you might upgrade straight to DCL.
11-29-2018 | 08:41 PM
#137
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From: Resigned
Wouldn't count on getting the 175 on upgrade after being on it as an FO. With the huge night/day difference between the rates that FOs on the 175 vs. the obsolete fleets are getting hours now choice upgrade slots are likely to be more contested, especially uncertain for people on the normal ~18 mo. upgrade path. I'm 12 months behind with essentially no flying, and so is everyone else hired around the same time into the WSCOD. The situation seems even worse on the CRJ side but may actually balance out w/ more flying on rsv.
11-29-2018 | 08:50 PM
#138
In a land of unicorns
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 7,072
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From: Whale FO
Wouldn't count on getting the 175 on upgrade after being on it as an FO. With the huge night/day difference between the rates that FOs on the 175 vs. the obsolete fleets are getting hours now choice upgrade slots are likely to be more contested, especially uncertain for people on the normal ~18 mo. upgrade path. I'm 12 months behind with essentially no flying, and so is everyone else hired around the same time into the WSCOD. The situation seems even worse on the CRJ side but may actually balance out w/ more flying on rsv.
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