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11-30-2018 | 02:09 AM
#141
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Wouldn't count on getting the 175 on upgrade after being on it as an FO. With the huge night/day difference between the rates that FOs on the 175 vs. the obsolete fleets are getting hours now choice upgrade slots are likely to be more contested, especially uncertain for people on the normal ~18 mo. upgrade path. I'm 12 months behind with essentially no flying, and so is everyone else hired around the same time into the WSCOD. The situation seems even worse on the CRJ side but may actually balance out w/ more flying on rsv.
Heck, you can lose 3 weeks with your vacation bidding if done correctly, would assume people do get sick occasionally, that can be stretched. Upper seniority reserve barely flies you at all on it, so you can also leverage that as a boost.
If you really want the seat you can get to it, but I agree if you are right seat in ORD on it, you will be ready for upgrade before your seniority is unless you have some stalling tactics in place. Although, at least in ORD, you dont need much more than 21 months seniority to hold it.
11-30-2018 | 02:43 AM
#142
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Yeah but if an FO is blasting out 1000 hours in 21 months, everything is going perfect for them and they are not too worried about what aircraft they upgrade on.
Heck, you can lose 3 weeks with your vacation bidding if done correctly, would assume people do get sick occasionally, that can be stretched. Upper seniority reserve barely flies you at all on it, so you can also leverage that as a boost.
If you really want the seat you can get to it, but I agree if you are right seat in ORD on it, you will be ready for upgrade before your seniority is unless you have some stalling tactics in place. Although, at least in ORD, you dont need much more than 21 months seniority to hold it.
Heck, you can lose 3 weeks with your vacation bidding if done correctly, would assume people do get sick occasionally, that can be stretched. Upper seniority reserve barely flies you at all on it, so you can also leverage that as a boost.
If you really want the seat you can get to it, but I agree if you are right seat in ORD on it, you will be ready for upgrade before your seniority is unless you have some stalling tactics in place. Although, at least in ORD, you dont need much more than 21 months seniority to hold it.
I would agree with you if our 175 fleet numbers were to stay the same. However with a growing fleet the scenario may change. Also, the CRJ is leaving which will cause another displacement eventually and shake up this situation even more (my guess is that this would not favor the fast to 1000 guys). The key is all about timing and seniority and the future is full of incalculable situations. My suggestion is just cross your fingers and hope for the best and make as much money as you can.
11-30-2018 | 04:56 AM
#143
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I have learned over the past few years that it's very hard to determine what people are going to do. We went from complaining about upgrades being too long to too short.
I would agree with you if our 175 fleet numbers were to stay the same. However with a growing fleet the scenario may change. Also, the CRJ is leaving which will cause another displacement eventually and shake up this situation even more (my guess is that this would not favor the fast to 1000 guys). The key is all about timing and seniority and the future is full of incalculable situations. My suggestion is just cross your fingers and hope for the best and make as much money as you can.
I would agree with you if our 175 fleet numbers were to stay the same. However with a growing fleet the scenario may change. Also, the CRJ is leaving which will cause another displacement eventually and shake up this situation even more (my guess is that this would not favor the fast to 1000 guys). The key is all about timing and seniority and the future is full of incalculable situations. My suggestion is just cross your fingers and hope for the best and make as much money as you can.
11-30-2018 | 10:08 AM
#144
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12-01-2018 | 05:07 AM
#147
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I think the 175 side is positioned for even faster movement w/ the blistering pace of fleet growth. I doubt if the 145 situation gets much better. The CRJ op might finally get the mercy killing it so desperately needs.
12-01-2018 | 06:08 AM
#148
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When I was hired, people who had accepted the DEC bonus were allowed to bid for a new hire status based on class seniority, including FO seats, the NCE seats were only "offered."
DEC 175 DFW will not happen under any circumstances, that is the most senior seat in the company.
DEC 175 DFW will not happen under any circumstances, that is the most senior seat in the company.
12-01-2018 | 04:19 PM
#149
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That’s not how it works any more. They were previously doing it that way to try to find loopholes in the CBA, but following the Standing Vacancy LOA DEC pilots are immediately assigned/displaced into a status which has an open standing vacancy and do not bid for FO statuses.
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