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#41
So it seems that 175 / 145 is what is most junior and what most people are getting anyway? It'd just be some time until you may get to bid to DFW?
That is pretty ridiculous that they wouldn't tell you what Base / Equipment you get awarded before you start training and you can't bid to a different base/equipment. I'm also willing to bet that they won't give you an option to hold a class date until you get the equipment you want? Say if I tell them I only want the 175 and I'll hold out from starting training until they have an opening in a 175 class?
Can you bid a different Base / Equipment when you are a Captain?
That is pretty ridiculous that they wouldn't tell you what Base / Equipment you get awarded before you start training and you can't bid to a different base/equipment. I'm also willing to bet that they won't give you an option to hold a class date until you get the equipment you want? Say if I tell them I only want the 175 and I'll hold out from starting training until they have an opening in a 175 class?
Can you bid a different Base / Equipment when you are a Captain?
You and your classmates get to pick, one by one, according to the class seniority. The more senior you are in your class (cadet by longevity, then prior 121 by flight time, then everyone else by age), the higher the chance of picking what you want. If you are in the third group and in your early 20s, you get what's left over.
Lets say it's a 145 LGA. You can start bidding to a different base pretty much on the next vacancy bid. That, however, doesn't mean that your seniority can hold that base right away, it might take some time (vacancy bids are ran once a quarter). Once you are awarded a different base, it takes a couple of month to transfer. As an FO you cannot move from 145 to 175. Once you get to captain mins, you can upgrade on whatever equipment/base your seniority can hold - i.e. 145 FO can potentially upgrade on 175.
Big nope on holding the class date till the equipment you want is offered.
Captain - yes, you can bid different base (that you can always do), and equipment.
#42
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So it seems that 175 / 145 is what is most junior and what most people are getting anyway? It'd just be some time until you may get to bid to DFW?
That is pretty ridiculous that they wouldn't tell you what Base / Equipment you get awarded before you start training and you can't bid to a different base/equipment. I'm also willing to bet that they won't give you an option to hold a class date until you get the equipment you want? Say if I tell them I only want the 175 and I'll hold out from starting training until they have an opening in a 175 class?
Can you bid a different Base / Equipment when you are a Captain?
That is pretty ridiculous that they wouldn't tell you what Base / Equipment you get awarded before you start training and you can't bid to a different base/equipment. I'm also willing to bet that they won't give you an option to hold a class date until you get the equipment you want? Say if I tell them I only want the 175 and I'll hold out from starting training until they have an opening in a 175 class?
Can you bid a different Base / Equipment when you are a Captain?
If you are a DEC, or close to DEC, that changes the dynamics for you. Even if you came in as a FO, as soon as you reach mins for upgrade you will be forced to do so, IN THE AIRCRAFT AND BASE YOU HAVE SENIORITY FOR. As a junior guy, that will not be anything in DFW. DFW is NOT junior, it is senior. The ability to get DFW in the 175 is based on being SENIOR in a class that offers it. It will not be an option for a DEC.
#43
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Do yourself a favor- if you have 121 time elsewhere my advice is to not come to Envoy as a DEC. They will straight abuse you. This company is a hostile company at best. So many more options and opportunities. I know many guys here this are DEC and are looking for ways to legally not pay the contract and leave. Hell some are paying the contract out and leaving just because the way they are treated.
Bottom line it is a very hostile company.
Bottom line it is a very hostile company.
#44
Do yourself a favor- if you have 121 time elsewhere my advice is to not come to Envoy as a DEC. They will straight abuse you. This company is a hostile company at best. So many more options and opportunities. I know many guys here this are DEC and are looking for ways to legally not pay the contract and leave. Hell some are paying the contract out and leaving just because the way they are treated.
Bottom line it is a very hostile company.
Bottom line it is a very hostile company.
#45
Search jetnet for Robert Isom’s video on 5/8 where he outlines the WO fleet. Envoy will be a 200 plane fleet, PSA 150 planes, and PDT will be about 60. PDT is almost to 60 and they can’t manage what they have and a third of their pilots are constantly in training. I don’t see PDT being given any of the 140’s as they can’t crew what they have, and PSA doesn’t operate the type, so that just doesn’t make sense.
#46
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Do yourself a favor- if you have 121 time elsewhere my advice is to not come to Envoy as a DEC. They will straight abuse you. This company is a hostile company at best. So many more options and opportunities. I know many guys here this are DEC and are looking for ways to legally not pay the contract and leave. Hell some are paying the contract out and leaving just because the way they are treated.
Bottom line it is a very hostile company.
Bottom line it is a very hostile company.
#47
Nope. I don’t know if PSA and PDT put it on their company page, but it’s on ours. He laid out the fleet plans for the wholly owned carriers and said that they want three regional partners of size. Using the power of logic that would indicate Republic, Mesa, and Skywest. Compass flying 20 airplanes for AAG apparently doesn’t make them “of size” which gets people fired up over the lunacy of us taking them back (which would be bad).
#48
Nope. I don’t know if PSA and PDT put it on their company page, but it’s on ours. He laid out the fleet plans for the wholly owned carriers and said that they want three regional partners of size. Using the power of logic that would indicate Republic, Mesa, and Skywest. Compass flying 20 airplanes for AAG apparently doesn’t make them “of size” which gets people fired up over the lunacy of us taking them back (which would be bad).
#49
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man..i feel like I'm killing myself reading these forums - i have about 1300 121 time. currently not flying because of a medical issue I'm hoping to resolve soon and starting to look at the WOs merely for the flow in my back pocket..every WO's forum says "this company sucks don't come here" - but if i want the flow, who is the best? I should probably just put down my computer and get back to studying
Either way your going to spend considerable time on reserve in the most junior base at any company as a street hire CA. Any failings across the contracts at all WO’s are likely to change by the time you start having the opportunity to exercise the positive parts of the contract.
Hope this helps.
#50
man..i feel like I'm killing myself reading these forums - i have about 1300 121 time. currently not flying because of a medical issue I'm hoping to resolve soon and starting to look at the WOs merely for the flow in my back pocket..every WO's forum says "this company sucks don't come here" - but if i want the flow, who is the best? I should probably just put down my computer and get back to studying
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