Envoy Reserve Times
03-15-2019, 07:59 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by AV8R72
The sky is falling at every regional on every post an APC. My friends at GoJet say they’re happy, but they may just want the referral bonus.
I’m coming over from being a military rotor guy, so what QOL issues do you guys say are the most important
I’m coming over from being a military rotor guy, so what QOL issues do you guys say are the most important
03-15-2019, 08:02 PM
#22
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Originally Posted by AV8R72
I did a spreadsheet and tried to balance money and time. Within 36 months I’ll be over 600 more 121 TPIC at GoJet than at Envoy and about 25k more money.
I know the pros and cons are more gay just what you can put on paper. It looks like I would reach 1000 121 TPIC almost a year earlier at GoJet
What am I missing?
I know the pros and cons are more gay just what you can put on paper. It looks like I would reach 1000 121 TPIC almost a year earlier at GoJet
What am I missing?
My biggest gripes about Envoy is the long reserve times and bad schedules right now. A mid-level line holder at Envoy will have a worse schedule than a junior line holder at a good regional. Commuting to reserve at Envoy is the worst QOL time period you will ever experience. Junior Reserve Commuter is the absolute worst position for any of the regional airlines.
I wish you had a third option to choose. I can't believe I'm saying this but I think short and long run GoJet may be a better choice.
Anyone know what it's like to commute from LIT to ORD?
03-15-2019, 08:11 PM
#23
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Originally Posted by dera
Or you can get 175 at Envoy, fly a lot, and be ahead. Pick your poison. Envoy to ORD is a much easier commute, than GoJet to ORD.
Envoy will very likely still be running in 3-4 years. GoJet, who knows. It's not an airline, it's a staffing company.
600TPIC. Then what? You really believe 1000TPIC is when you will suddenly get a call from a major? That's not how it works.
Envoy will very likely still be running in 3-4 years. GoJet, who knows. It's not an airline, it's a staffing company.
600TPIC. Then what? You really believe 1000TPIC is when you will suddenly get a call from a major? That's not how it works.
You do make a good point about viability. I would suggest he check into GoJet contracts and see how long until they expire.
03-15-2019, 08:16 PM
#24
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Originally Posted by dera
Or you can get 175 at Envoy, fly a lot, and be ahead. Pick your poison. Envoy to ORD is a much easier commute, than GoJet to ORD.
Envoy will very likely still be running in 3-4 years. GoJet, who knows. It's not an airline, it's a staffing company.
600TPIC. Then what? You really believe 1000TPIC is when you will suddenly get a call from a major? That's not how it works.
Envoy will very likely still be running in 3-4 years. GoJet, who knows. It's not an airline, it's a staffing company.
600TPIC. Then what? You really believe 1000TPIC is when you will suddenly get a call from a major? That's not how it works.
Here’s a little about me. I’ve got about 5k rotor hours, a masters degree, IP in 2 helps, and making the jump with 15 years in the army.
03-15-2019, 08:17 PM
#25
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Originally Posted by Pedro4President
Ok ok ok.... Ill help you out. It's GoJet and they have a negative reputation on the forums. Before you go there I'd suggest you look a little bit more into them. You seem to understand Envoy pretty well and I think you are leaning towards GoJet but find it easier to commute on Envoy. 90% chance you get the 145 or CRJ if you come to Envoy.
My biggest gripes about Envoy is the long reserve times and bad schedules right now. A mid-level line holder at Envoy will have a worse schedule than a junior line holder at a good regional. Commuting to reserve at Envoy is the worst QOL time period you will ever experience. Junior Reserve Commuter is the absolute worst position for any of the regional airlines.
I wish you had a third option to choose. I can't believe I'm saying this but I think short and long run GoJet may be a better choice.
Anyone know what it's like to commute from LIT to ORD?
My biggest gripes about Envoy is the long reserve times and bad schedules right now. A mid-level line holder at Envoy will have a worse schedule than a junior line holder at a good regional. Commuting to reserve at Envoy is the worst QOL time period you will ever experience. Junior Reserve Commuter is the absolute worst position for any of the regional airlines.
I wish you had a third option to choose. I can't believe I'm saying this but I think short and long run GoJet may be a better choice.
Anyone know what it's like to commute from LIT to ORD?
And junior reserve commuter isn't the worst place to be, you actually get to fly quite a bit. It's the mid-junior point when a class or two after you finish IOE when you're too "senior" to get used but too junior to get any proffers when things seem to suck more.
If you want bad reserve rules, look at CommutAir.
Commuting to reserve sucks everywhere, but a short staffed airline might be even worse. Hello JM's and extensions. Who cares if you hold a line, when lineholders are the reserve.
And for a rotor guy, AQP is worth quite a bit.
03-15-2019, 08:19 PM
#26
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Originally Posted by AV8R72
I’m not saying that at all. I’m asking questions simply because I do not know and want to make a good choice.
Here’s a little about me. I’ve got about 5k rotor hours, a masters degree, IP in 2 helps, and making the jump with 15 years in the army.
Here’s a little about me. I’ve got about 5k rotor hours, a masters degree, IP in 2 helps, and making the jump with 15 years in the army.
03-15-2019, 08:23 PM
#27
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Originally Posted by Pedro4President
I love it when guys give advice on how to get to a major without being at a major. And yes flight time does count. Just because it isn't the only thing that counts doesn't mean that it isn't important.
You do make a good point about viability. I would suggest he check into GoJet contracts and see how long until they expire.
You do make a good point about viability. I would suggest he check into GoJet contracts and see how long until they expire.
Flight time does count, but 1000TPIC is not a trigger when you suddenly start getting calls. His hours are rotary, and looking at the RTP guys I know, those hours aren't the same as FW hours when trying to get hired elsewhere.
I would value AQP and stability quite a bit over a 6 month perceived head start. That's just my personal valuation though. YMMV.
03-15-2019, 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by dera
It wasn't advice on how to get to a major. It was advice that things aren't as black and white as often they are presented here.
Flight time does count, but 1000TPIC is not a trigger when you suddenly start getting calls. His hours are rotary, and looking at the RTP guys I know, those hours aren't the same as FW hours when trying to get hired elsewhere.
I would value AQP and stability quite a bit over a 6 month perceived head start. That's just my personal valuation though. YMMV.
Flight time does count, but 1000TPIC is not a trigger when you suddenly start getting calls. His hours are rotary, and looking at the RTP guys I know, those hours aren't the same as FW hours when trying to get hired elsewhere.
I would value AQP and stability quite a bit over a 6 month perceived head start. That's just my personal valuation though. YMMV.
03-16-2019, 03:01 AM
#29
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“1000 TPIC magic bullet”
This number comes directly from AA when they are asked to define a well-qualified street regional applicant at hiring events. It isn’t a magic bullet by any means, and they are still looking for important factors like personality, cognitive ability and particularly diversity from street hires.
AQP is kinder, gentler airline training. It has a marginally better pass rate than traditional airline training and is much more forgiving - you can repeat maneuvers within certain parameters, for example - instead of getting slapped with a 5+ mark of shame and termination for messing up a steep turn.
This number comes directly from AA when they are asked to define a well-qualified street regional applicant at hiring events. It isn’t a magic bullet by any means, and they are still looking for important factors like personality, cognitive ability and particularly diversity from street hires.
AQP is kinder, gentler airline training. It has a marginally better pass rate than traditional airline training and is much more forgiving - you can repeat maneuvers within certain parameters, for example - instead of getting slapped with a 5+ mark of shame and termination for messing up a steep turn.
03-16-2019, 08:25 AM
#30
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Originally Posted by AV8R72
I’m not saying that at all. I’m asking questions simply because I do not know and want to make a good choice.
Here’s a little about me. I’ve got about 5k rotor hours, a masters degree, IP in 2 helps, and making the jump with 15 years in the army.
Here’s a little about me. I’ve got about 5k rotor hours, a masters degree, IP in 2 helps, and making the jump with 15 years in the army.
Originally Posted by NoValueAviator
“1000 TPIC magic bullet”
This number comes directly from AA when they are asked to define a well-qualified street regional applicant at hiring events. It isn’t a magic bullet by any means, and they are still looking for important factors like personality, cognitive ability and particularly diversity from street hires.
AQP is kinder, gentler airline training. It has a marginally better pass rate than traditional airline training and is much more forgiving - you can repeat maneuvers within certain parameters, for example - instead of getting slapped with a 5+ mark of shame and termination for messing up a steep turn.
This number comes directly from AA when they are asked to define a well-qualified street regional applicant at hiring events. It isn’t a magic bullet by any means, and they are still looking for important factors like personality, cognitive ability and particularly diversity from street hires.
AQP is kinder, gentler airline training. It has a marginally better pass rate than traditional airline training and is much more forgiving - you can repeat maneuvers within certain parameters, for example - instead of getting slapped with a 5+ mark of shame and termination for messing up a steep turn.
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