Dude - go back to the PSA forums and troll there.

Stewardship - it has a real meaning, rather than just a title for the teamsters.

Lmao.

Paraphrasing from a reliable source;

- Signing bonus is for new hires replacing the current NH bonus. It doesn’t apply to current pilots agreeing to the LOA.

- LOA allows PSA to deliberately over-schedule the training center in case of washouts/unseats.

This shook out like so;

PSA MEC was approached by their management a short time ago and were forced to sign NDA’s before being shown the proposed agreement. Their MEC met a week later and were also forced to sign NDA’s. It appears that ALPA National was not informed of the developments until it went public.

Here’s the most important part;

It’s no accident that AAG dropped this on PSA first. Trying this with all 3 WO’s at once would have encouraged pattern bargaining. They wanted to set the bar low to prevent anyone from negotiating add-ons based on PSA’s history.

That last part is pretty telling...

That info come from our eny mec?

The first communication of any sort to the pilot group was not from the company, not from the MEC, but a press-release from ALPA national.

Doesn't pass the sniff test.

Definition of stewardship


1 : the office, duties, and obligations of a steward

2 : the conducting, supervising, or managing of something especially : the careful and responsible management of something entrusted to one's care stewardship of natural resources

Last I checked, the PSA MEC just voted on an offer from the company that is about a $13 dollar raise for me, and didn't give up anything for it.

But hey, don't let facts get in the way of your keyboard warrior skillz.





Pretty ignorant if you ask me.

This is the least useful and untrue post in this thread right now... as much as this has been a surprise for our pilot group at PSA obviously we are happy about it and we are sincerely hoping it boosts the regional industry into broader and progressive negotiations.. particularly for our AA WO sister companies that deserve this as much as anyone else flying metal..

With that being said your post is not correct... You do know that PSA MEC swapped the helm only 5 months ago right? Also we have had more communication and transparency in that small timeframe in form of direct MEC emails, pilot base rep meetings, phone call conferences and LOAs being published, MEC directory published from ALL reps and groups... this is the attitude of or new MEC which has been surprising all of us.. if you’re also saying it’s to prevent add ons etc... the company has tried to throw away the power of SAP and bring in PBS talks for a long while, we didn’t give any of that up with the pay rates.. I do believe that some other things will happen throughout the rest of the year, but the bargaining power hasn’t been compromised at all just for rates. That’s where your statements don’t make any sense whatsoever, in fact it sounds uneducated to the recent events.

I hope you guys hear the positive progression you deserve soon.

Don’t shoot the messenger.

That being said it makes sense if true. Why the need to force NDA’s and get a deal done quickly without putting to a pilot vote?

Don't forget that there's basically nobody left at PSA who could have voted back in 2013... The pilot group is entirely new.

Why would we shoot him when debunking him is just as easy and a whole lot cleaner too?

Pattern Bargaining is the process of individual pilot groups leap frogging each other based on the gains that a given pilot group has gotten. If AA's true goal was minimizing that process they would've engaged each MEC in NDAs, etc, at the same time, not sequentially.

What their overall game plan is I don't know, but I'd wager an hour of my new raise that you'll soon see ENY and PDT get similar offers with no strings attached. It makes ZERO sense to cripple the hiring of two of your three WO carriers by just giving one of them a raise.

Regardless, I don't see any WO carrier making significant monetary gains above what PSA has, simply because of the fact that flow has value, as I've heard our union math nerd say.

Dude this is internet. Don't let facts get in the way of your feelings.

Maybe no 2013 pilots are at PSA but those who jumped at the opportunity to ride the PSA wagon are still there and they were there in September of 2016 also when we should have gotten these raises but PSA jumped at a bad deal then to set the bar for the other WOs for years to come. So I think your statement has some merit. Happy the pay is going up over there hopefully to be followed shortly by us and PDT but I hope the PSAers still realize there's a long way to go to get credibility back in mine and many many envoy pilots eyes.

Thought about, still couldn't care less about my credibility in your eyes... I'm not impressed by your vitriol nor do I seek your validation. Go start a thread slamming your coworker and resident youtuber. Stay classy Envoy.

Good for you. Never thought PSA cared about credibility anyway so not too surprised. Enjoy the pay rates.

Not sure how long you have been at PSA so in all fairness you could be innocent to the whole issue, however those that chose the concessions back in the day literally detailed the industry and set it back. In addition it directly ****ed Envoy pilots as they just rejected the same deal. While I wasn’t around for it to directly affect me, I think it is short sided to just expect everyone to forget it and move on.

Wounds take time to heal and trust, once lost takes even longer to earn back. I am happy for the people at PSA and happy another group of pilots received the compensation they deserve. Well done.

Here’s hoping the rest of us see it.

The recent PSA deal on pay remind me of the simpsons episode where Mr Burns offers the nuclear inspectors a new washing machine or what’s in the mystery box.

I love that you guys just essentially sold SAP out.

Uhhh what? How do you figure?

You've been woefully misinformed.

This is funny..... we didn’t sell anything and that’s why it’s so surprising to be honest... but good try. No negotiating power has been given away very fortunately. Thanks for your concern though.

We still have our SAP. It’s still great. Been working much better the past couple months. I’ve got 12 off and 106 credit for April with our pay override. And now with these new pay rates I’ll have an almost $10,000 month. Not boasting (though I am very pleased with my schedule) but just saying... We didn’t give anything up.

That being said I am truly surprised that AAG didn’t level raises at all 3 WOs. I don’t know what they’re aiming at by just giving PSA raises but they certainly have something up their sleeve. Been hearing renewed rumors of AAG pulling the 20 Eagle 175s back in house from Compass and the CRJ900s they own from Mesa. So I figured rumors of raises would have been for everyone.

So the language that reads “with regards to PBS, the company and the Association have agreed to continue good faith discussions as a quid pro quo for these increases” doesn’t open the door for PBS to be implemented? It’s coming, and you just unlocked the door.

You skipped the sentence immediately following that: "Both sides have also mutually agreed that if an agreement regarding PBS is eventually reached, that agreement will go out for a vote to the pilot group."

If you're going to tell a story, tell the whole story. This isn't MSNBC.

AAG doesn't own any of the mesa crjs.

I’m glad getting my our street cred up is a requirmtent to be decent to one another.

I, nor 80% of my coworkers, were at PSA when the contract was signed. We don’t hold any ill will toward Envoy and I can tell you that every one of my fellow PSA pilots that I’ve spoken to has stated that they hope all the WOs follow suit with pay parity quickly.

Best wishes on a speedy resolution on your contract.

I’ve never gotten more than a tongue in cheek razzing when needing the jump or sticking my head in to thank the crew for the ride.

I’ve only been here a little over a year, so I’m not deeply familiar with the 2013 situation. Although I hope this doesn’t effect how we should treat each other as professionals. I too, am one of the many PSA pilots who hope to see the other WO get the pay increases you deserve.

What the PSA guests fail to understand is that it's not whether or not they were on property in 2013 that matters. It's how AAG used PSA to prevent the bar from being raised (aka not lowered as far in BK) at PDT and ENY at the time.

Fast forward to today. I'd like to see us bargain for the rates we wanted last year. However, I suspect the dollar amount is now fixed at exactly the total cost of PSA's agreement. The line will be, "This is what PSA took, so it's what you get too." We are now beholden to the negotiating, or lack thereof, that took place at PSA before this agreement was signed. It was a spoiled opportunity on their part. It will be extremely difficult for ENY or PDT to bargain as planned now that one of the WO's has settled for a certain amount.

Consider what happened here. PSA management had a problem that needed fixing in a time when Regional feed was being brought back in-house for operational considerations. Think about who held the cards at that moment. AAG will not let one of their WOs falter with recruitment or retention for long. Think about the leverage the PSA MEC could have gained by slowing their roll enough to realize the power they had. It begs the question - Why didn't they? The answer lies with the demographics. One particular character from Charlie and the Chocolate Factory comes to mind - Veruca Salt.

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Timing (700’s)
 

Why would PSA mgt/AAG offer the PSA pilot group a pay increase at this point in time? From the company’s (AAG’s) perspective, wouldn’t have this made a lot more sense earlier in the process of CRJ-700’s moving from ENY to PSA because PSA was struggling to accept jets? (Or were PSA’s issues in taking the 700’s early entirely maintenance related?)

For me I am glad that you all got the raises, I truly am. Do I wish it was done as a concerted effort between the three WO's union teams, absolutely. Do I feel that we all could have gotten more if each MEC talked to the other about this and moved forward as one concerted effort? Absolutely.

However, at this point, it is an advancement and if we see it at Envoy it will be a win that we sorely need. Thankfully nothing was given up for it at PSA, so that should help us avoid giving anything up.

I just hope out union doesn't cave easily and give up something important for this.

16 of them actually...

The real question now is if parity is to be achieved, how long will Envoy & Piedmont MGMT / AAG drag their feet?

As long as they can. Envoy management is beyond adversarial to the pilot group. They aren’t motivated at all to help bring parity. AAG will be be the one to make them get it done in order to keep their feed.

I’m not convinced that PSA MEC has anything to do with this. My guess (and as was alluded to elseware) is AAG went straight to PSA mgmt, and said get this done ASAP. That’s probably how it will happen here and at Piedmont. Of course that is if pay pairirty is AAGs strategy. I also agree that we could have Jimmy Hoffa himself negotiating on our behalf and we would get nothing, if AAG is not ready to open the purse strings.

It’s interesting that they picked PSA and I haven’t heard any theories about why that don’t go back to the 2013 judasing. The only WO really struggling to recruit and retain pilots in the ensuing regional pilot glut is Piedmont.

The only thing I have thought of, is to use the new rates as leverage for an expeditious JCBA and SLI for a merger between Envoy and Piedmont.

Yuck. Please don’t even kid around about that.

It’s too early for this level of wokeposting :eek:

I hope you’re wrong...

New PSA Pilot Pay Agreement
 

That’s what they want you to think...

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The Darkness, The Implementation, The Execution. Don’t scare me!