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pitchattitude 04-03-2019 03:12 PM

New PSA Pilot Pay Agreement
 
PSA Pilot Agreement Raises the Bar for Pilot Pay
WASHINGTON, D.C.—Pilots at PSA Airlines, represented by the Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l (ALPA), today announced an agreement that substantially raises the bar for wages in the regional airline industry.

“This agreement is the result of our mutual commitment to providing both our current and future pilots with the best possible career path in the airline industry,” said Capt. Steven Toothe, chairman of the PSA ALPA Master Executive Council. “Our first officers will see hourly wage rate increases of up to nearly 20 percent above the regional industry average. Our captains will see wage rate increases of up to 12 percent above the regional industry average.”

In addition to increases of up to $12 per hour for all PSA pilots, highlights of the agreement include:

First-year first officer pay at $49.96 per hour, rising to $55.95 for a fourth-year first officer.
$18,000 signing bonus paid over two years.
Captain hourly pay increases to ensure that pilots continue to progress at competitive rates as they upgrade until they flow to American Airlines.
Premium pay for all hours flown above 75 per month.
The deal was reached even though the current collective bargaining agreement is not amendable until 2023. Rather, PSA management and the Association recognized the need to make improvements now to stay competitive in a rapidly changing regional airline environment.

“We applaud PSA pilots and management for working together to create a competitive salary structure that will help attract and retain highly trained and qualified pilots. ALPA has long maintained that securing competitive wages, an adequate work/life balance, and career progression opportunities is key to attracting and maintaining a strong pipeline of pilots to the profession. Through this new agreement, PSA pilots worked to ensure that, from recruitment to retirement, their airline is a top contender for aviators at any stage of their career,” said Capt. Joe DePete, ALPA president.

PSA has been undergoing dynamic growth. When the current contract was signed in April 2013, the Dayton-based carrier employed approximately 550 pilots. Now, more than 1,900 pilots are operating PSA flights under the American Eagle brand.

PSA Airlines is a wholly owned subsidiary of American Airlines and operates 150 regional jets on 800 daily flights to nearly 100 destinations, including bases in Washington, D.C.; Philadelphia, Pa.; Charlotte, N.C.; Knoxville, Tenn.; Dayton, Ohio; Cincinnati, Ohio; and Norfolk, Va.

Squirrel27 04-03-2019 03:14 PM

Were they struggling to fill new hire classes?

Do they have DECs?

arbatistoni 04-03-2019 03:16 PM

I was just copying this to paste it as well. I wonder if this means we could see pay raises in the near future.

Toolbox9909 04-03-2019 03:20 PM

What the #@&%¡
 
Now I really feel like chopped liver.

OldBiff 04-03-2019 03:30 PM

Amature hour at our union continues. Maybe they can get pay raises only for the protected pilot group and call it a win.

deraa 04-03-2019 03:31 PM

But how many people will they attract with the bases they offer? We offer competitive bases and will continue to fill classes for that reason. Some don’t mind about making less as long as they can drive to work. Not many bases offered by PSA are commutable.

MD-11Loader 04-03-2019 03:34 PM

Meanwhile flight ops wants us to give concessions just to talk to them.

Pntbllr233 04-03-2019 03:37 PM

Now we know where to send all those people asking for info about Envoy. Shorter flow, better pay, our airplanes, and good east coast bases.

dera 04-03-2019 03:42 PM


Originally Posted by Pntbllr233 (Post 2795509)
Now we know where to send all those people asking for info about Envoy. Shorter flow, better pay, our airplanes, and good east coast bases.

Not a shorter flow, apart from that, true.

The biggest and best thing about this is, that it cuts the legs off the "we can pay less because flow" argument.

Jackson28 04-03-2019 03:42 PM

LMFAO, they want concessions to even talk and PSA gets the raises ...

OldBiff 04-03-2019 03:46 PM


Originally Posted by Jackson28 (Post 2795517)
LMFAO, they want concessions to even talk and PSA gets the raises ...

If only we had some means through which we could organize the pilot group to collectively bargain for our interests or take action...

ENH017 04-03-2019 03:50 PM


Originally Posted by OldBiff (Post 2795520)
If only we had some means through which we could organize the pilot group to collectively bargain for our interests or take action...

https://i.imgur.com/RUdPyQP.jpg

TeeRainPULup 04-03-2019 03:51 PM

If you are a FO at the bottom of the list now is the time to leave and go to PSA before everybody else does. Seniority is everything. The bases are only temporary.

Ijustlikeflying 04-03-2019 03:57 PM

Great for those guys, but here we are still sitting around with mediocre everything.

We haven’t had good news since the re-opening of the Mia base email back in early 2017... and even that you could argue wasn’t good news, it was just something we already had that was taken away and then given back to us. Like a darn childhood timeout.

NoValueAviator 04-03-2019 03:57 PM

You’d have to be insane to come here over PSA now. How many still will, just for a chance to fly the 175? Time will tell I guess.

in2deep 04-03-2019 03:59 PM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 2795537)
You’d have to be insane to come here over PSA now. How many still will, just for a chance to fly the 175? Time will tell I guess.



Don’t underestimate those CFI cadet bros

Jackson28 04-03-2019 04:03 PM


Originally Posted by OldBiff (Post 2795520)
If only we had some means through which we could organize the pilot group to collectively bargain for our interests or take action...

Maybe let the current union leadership know that it is time to step up?

TeeRainPULup 04-03-2019 04:11 PM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 2795537)
You’d have to be insane to come here over PSA now. How many still will, just for a chance to fly the 175? Time will tell I guess.

175 isn’t guaranteed, not having a union that steps up for the pilot group is guaranteed.

OldBiff 04-03-2019 04:16 PM


Originally Posted by Jackson28 (Post 2795543)
Maybe let the current union leadership know that it is time to step up?

They’re busy fighting holding actions and losing mediation on PSIs. They don’t have a strategic picture or any real ability to organize and they don’t want help unless you’re in their club. They’re still fighting the battles of the bankruptcy not realizing that the objectives have changed. It’d be nice if they had some conference calls or virtual events, but you should go to base on your day off to kick it with them.

Jackson28 04-03-2019 04:34 PM


Originally Posted by OldBiff (Post 2795559)
They’re busy fighting holding actions and losing mediation on PSIs. They don’t have a strategic picture or any real ability to organize and they don’t want help unless you’re in their club. They’re still fighting the battles of the bankruptcy not realizing that the objectives have changed. It’d be nice if they had some conference calls or virtual events, but you should go to base on your day off to kick it with them.

Agreed 100%, Hopefully this will make the pilot group more vocal towards the union.

wiz5422 04-03-2019 05:18 PM


Originally Posted by Jackson28 (Post 2795575)
Agreed 100%, Hopefully this will make the pilot group more vocal towards the union.


How many of you are still picking up OT? How many of you are calling for rampers, gate agents, fuel, and catering? How many of you are not following SOP when it comes to writhing every discrepancy you see...even at an out station?

We are our own worse enemy. Unity starts with us.

moon 04-03-2019 05:22 PM


Originally Posted by wiz5422 (Post 2795619)
How many of you are still picking up OT? How many of you are calling for rampers, gate agents, fuel, and catering? How many of you are not following SOP when it comes to writhing every discrepancy you see...even at an out station?

We are our own worse enemy. Unity starts with us.

How many are proffering for this vacancy bid that closes soon. Keep the 15.G.4 displacements coming it certainly isn't ideal for the company.

dera 04-03-2019 05:23 PM


Originally Posted by wiz5422 (Post 2795619)
How many of you are still picking up OT? How many of you are calling for rampers, gate agents, fuel, and catering? How many of you are not following SOP when it comes to writhing every discrepancy you see...even at an out station?

We are our own worse enemy. Unity starts with us.

Most OT goes super senior, so clearly quite a few are picking them up.

Timbird 04-03-2019 05:29 PM


Originally Posted by wiz5422 (Post 2795619)
How many of you are still picking up OT? How many of you are calling for rampers, gate agents, fuel, and catering? How many of you are not following SOP when it comes to writhing every discrepancy you see...even at an out station?

We are our own worse enemy. Unity starts with us.

Well said. EVERYONE read this. It starts with us. The union is helpless without pilot “support.”

Toolbox9909 04-03-2019 06:19 PM

What unity?
 
ALPA should not have let this gone through, while they are well aware that envoy pilots (also represented by alpa) has also been fighting for a pay raise. Where is the unity in that? Whipsawing has begun again. If PSA is having recruiting problems, that should have been ALPAs bargaining chip to raise the level for all its union members within the WO. That is the union's job. It doesn't start with me. It starts with them, they are the labor stewards.

Squirrel27 04-03-2019 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by Toolbox9909 (Post 2795660)
ALPA should not have let this gone through, while they are well aware that envoy pilots (also represented by alpa) has also been fighting for a pay raise. Where is the unity in that? Whipsawing has begun again. If PSA is having recruiting problems, that should have been ALPAs bargaining chip to raise the level for all its union members within the WO. That is the union's job. It doesn't start with me. It starts with them, they are the labor stewards.

Yeah I agree with this. ALPA takes a lot of our money for "unity." But unity means raising QOL and pay for all of us, not just one group at a time.

pitchattitude 04-03-2019 06:59 PM

ENY MEC response
 
It isn’t necessarily a public statement, so I won’t post it here, but the ENY MEC has issued a statement in response to the PSA contract situation. Check your emails.

Varsity 04-03-2019 07:08 PM

PSA took our airplanes and now they will take our pilots.

Like it or not Dion Flannery has turned PSA into a major regional player. He hoodwink'd envoy from Dayton Ohio. Meanwhile RW, RN and Pedro can't even hold onto our existing flying.

We're clearly on the loser team here folks.

Varsity 04-03-2019 07:10 PM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 2795688)
It isn’t necessarily a public statement, so I won’t post it here, but the ENY MEC has issued a statement in response to the PSA contract situation. Check your emails.

Wow. "We had no idea how this happened!"

We're so screwed.

Bassman1985 04-03-2019 07:20 PM

Year (CA)
1: 83.60
2: 85.64
3: 87.68
4: 89.72
5: 91.76
6: 93.80
7: 95.83
8: 97.88
9: 99.91
10: 101.95
11: 103.99
12: 106.03
13: 108.58
14: 111.13
15: 113.67
16: 116.23
17: 118.78
18: 121.22

This is what we’re up against. Just for reference, I’m about to move up to $72.46 later this month as a 4th-year CA on scale B. PSA would have me at $89.72. Plus their new premium pay rules (125% for all flying above 75 hours and 200% above 87 hours). ALPA is about to get a massive fire mission of nastygrams from this pilot group.

havick206 04-03-2019 07:21 PM


Originally Posted by Bassman1985 (Post 2795704)
Year (CA)
1: 83.60
2: 85.64
3: 87.68
4: 89.72
5: 91.76
6: 93.80
7: 95.83
8: 97.88
9: 99.91
10: 101.95
11: 103.99
12: 106.03
13: 108.58
14: 111.13
15: 113.67
16: 116.23
17: 118.78
18: 121.22

This is what we’re up against. Just for reference, I’m about to move up to $72.46 later this month as a 4th-year CA on scale B. PSA would have me at $89.72. Plus their new premium pay rules (125% for all flying above 75 hours and 200% above 87 hours). ALPA is about to get a massive fire mission of nastygrams from this pilot group.

Make sure to use the 700 rates not 145 rates.

Either way, I’m pretty sure I just shat the bed at my layover.

Bassman1985 04-03-2019 07:26 PM


Originally Posted by havick206 (Post 2795705)
Make sure to use the 700 rates not 145 rates

Our rates are based on seniority, not what plane we actually fly. I’m on scale B with my seniority (718 according to the latest Pay Band B list on myenvoyair). I would be making a whopping $76.32 on Band C. This is the only CA scale I’ve seen publicly, it’s from the PSA sub-forum thread on this topic.

mketch11 04-03-2019 07:26 PM


Originally Posted by OldBiff (Post 2795501)
Amature hour at our union continues. Maybe they can get pay raises only for the protected pilot group and call it a win.

Preach!




...

copycopy 04-03-2019 07:34 PM


Originally Posted by Bassman1985 (Post 2795704)
ALPA is about to get a massive fire mission of nastygrams from this pilot group.

Doubtful. Our pilots have never really showed any unity, just an ability to complain online without actually putting their money where their mouth is. Oh well, let’s all just point our fingers at those who actually provide services to the pilots as it provides us the cathartic release we seek.

Jackson28 04-03-2019 07:36 PM


Originally Posted by Bassman1985 (Post 2795704)
Year (CA)
1: 83.60
2: 85.64
3: 87.68
4: 89.72
5: 91.76
6: 93.80
7: 95.83
8: 97.88
9: 99.91
10: 101.95
11: 103.99
12: 106.03
13: 108.58
14: 111.13
15: 113.67
16: 116.23
17: 118.78
18: 121.22

This is what we’re up against. Just for reference, I’m about to move up to $72.46 later this month as a 4th-year CA on scale B. PSA would have me at $89.72. Plus their new premium pay rules (125% for all flying above 75 hours and 200% above 87 hours). ALPA is about to get a massive fire mission of nastygrams from this pilot group.

You think ... 😂

Ijustlikeflying 04-03-2019 07:51 PM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 2795688)
It isn’t necessarily a public statement, so I won’t post it here, but the ENY MEC has issued a statement in response to the PSA contract situation. Check your emails.

I didn’t get the email, anyone care to DM it ?

Smutter 04-03-2019 07:52 PM


Originally Posted by havick206 (Post 2795705)
Make sure to use the 700 rates not 145 rates.

Either way, I’m pretty sure I just shat the bed at my layover.

You know how are rates work, right? Unless you don't work at envoy then understandable

havick206 04-03-2019 07:55 PM


Originally Posted by Smutter (Post 2795731)
You know how are rates work, right? Unless you don't work at envoy then understandable

I know exactly how our rates work. I was saying the list posted above of the new PSA rates aren’t inclusive of all their airframes and their blended rate.

Ijustlikeflying 04-03-2019 07:59 PM


Originally Posted by havick206 (Post 2795732)
I know exactly how our rates work. I was saying the list posted above of the new PSA rates aren’t inclusive of all their airframes and their blended rate.

It’s the 700/900 rate listed above. Haven’t seen anything on the 200rate. Probably no more than a couple bucks less.

OldBiff 04-03-2019 08:01 PM


Originally Posted by copycopy (Post 2795722)
Doubtful. Our pilots have never really showed any unity, just an ability to complain online without actually putting their money where their mouth is. Oh well, let’s all just point our fingers at those who actually provide services to the pilots as it provides us the cathartic release we seek.

You see the union is supposed to be the organizing the pilot group not just sending whoopsie emails. No OT, publish scab lists, and for god sakes slow down the work. The company does this because we allow it and the people we pay to organize and protect us are seemingly not up to the task.


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