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Old 04-08-2019, 04:34 PM   #61  
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Had to google autodog lol, I think that would kind of thing would be more difficult than a pay raise honestly. Instead of just convincing them they can’t get anymore dumb CFIs to warm the right seats of their 175s, you’d have to convince them not to hate us
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Give me casual Fridays. We can wear our old twin hill uniforms.
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Old 04-08-2019, 06:48 PM   #63  
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HA!

On another note, why can’t the pilot group vote on all the LOA’s? It is 2019
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Old 04-09-2019, 05:21 PM   #64  
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Some of you guys are posting really dumb things. You are giving the company insight into what we want and what our demands are. I'm not going to quote any of it or address any of it specifically in the hopes that you wise up and take it down.

Think about it from a management standpoint. They know exactly what we're thinking and what we want. Please, don't handcuff the leaders that are going into this.
Yep, just like they knew the TA would pass......

76% no....

You’re giving them way too much credit. They actually work in reverse. If they aren’t hearing complaining then there are more concessions to be had.
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Old 04-09-2019, 05:25 PM   #65  
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What? And the MEC chairman give up that power?

Here’s the argument you’ll hear.... if they offer something that we know they way way undervalued... if we had to delay for even the 10 days for an MEC vote, let alone a full pilot vote, they’d realize their mistake and pull the deal. There is some validity to that argument. Personally I think it should only be used when the gains are so huge, that delaying would be a bad idea. Otherwise I’d say post 10 days for an MEC vote, and if it changes existing CBA, a pilot vote. Currently the pilots can ratify a CBA, then the MEC can change every single detail one LOA at a time without a pilot vote. That shouldn’t be.

But, a quick grab LOA is exactly how I got the NY base closure deal... whole deal was done in 20 minutes. Just kept saying no, even when our lawyers said that was the best there was. Adam and I went in the room directly, told them what we wanted, they said no, we got up to leave. We got our deal, our way, on the way out. Lawyers were shocked we got it. We agreed, shook hands then left the lawyers to hash out the details on paper for our review. The first 18 minutes was the lawyers acting as go between three times with three different deals, Adam and me saying no.... finally the lawyers said you two go tell them. We did.

ALPA plays fairly, starting at the 50 yard line expecting the company to meet them at half field and work from there. The company doesn’t, they start in the parking lot, and ALPA still starts at the 50 instead of starting out in our parking lot....

company cursed me for months over that NY deal saying it cost them too much, and all the positive space travel created problems wth AA negotiations with APA. Chairman signed it right away. It did however make the base closure as painless as possible for my pilots.

As a side note, we told them then that closing it was a mistake and they’d be back within the year. The base reopened one year and one month later.....

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Old 04-09-2019, 05:26 PM   #66  
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This pilots group will not use their smart phone to vote on Reps when asked.

People will be quick to yap their mouth on APC, but not vote. That is just where we are. I personally rather this new age pilot group where majority are only here for the flow in 6-9 years not vote on any LOA’s yet. Majority have been here less than 3yrs. We have lost a lot of strength due to flow. The company banks on that to pay dividends long term.
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So true. Apathy at best.
Wonder what they will say when others are flowing to aa making minimum 20 percent more pay and better qol.
They cannot see past their own nose.
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