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Old 04-06-2019, 04:20 PM   #21  
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You're forgetting one thing about union motives.

Most of them are close to flowing.
Whats the best way to ensure company doesnt start throttling the flow?
Yep. Make sure new hires are showing up, and that you dont end up in a ****list that prevents you from flowing.
That's a conflict of interest right there.
I could not agree more with you, hence I personally think we would be better off with a change in Leadership or even Union that has the interest of the pilot group as a whole in mind and not just short term goals for a few.
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You're forgetting one thing about union motives.

Most of them are close to flowing.
Whats the best way to ensure company doesnt start throttling the flow?
Yep. Make sure new hires are showing up, and that you dont end up in a ****list that prevents you from flowing.
That's a conflict of interest right there.
Sounds about right.
I personally heard an ALPA rep who flowed recently say “we dont need Endeavor rates at Envoy we need faster flow” this was around the time a grievance was settled for temp increased flow
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Sounds about right.
I personally heard an ALPA rep who flowed recently say “we dont need Endeavor rates at Envoy we need faster flow” this was around the time a grievance was settled for temp increased flow
Honest question. Would you all sell the flow for endeavor pay rates? Get rid of the flow as it is now with only a certain percentage of guarantee interviews per month with no promise of being hired but have higher pay rates.
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Old 04-06-2019, 04:50 PM   #24  
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Duh, of course not. PSA has an equivalent flow-through and just below Endeavor pay rates.

The question is how much do people value ORD and DFW bases and a lottery shot at shiny jet short reserve paradise. Is it really worth $10+/hr for 9-11 years?
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I think we should stop discussing negotiation points on a forum which management can and almost certainly does frequent. 2 years ago as a newhire I used to roll my eyes at the comment I'm making now. Two years later and I've changed my tune. It's not worth discussing here, IMO.
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Duh, of course not. PSA has an equivalent flow-through and just below Endeavor pay rates.

The question is how much do people value ORD and DFW bases and a lottery shot at shiny jet short reserve paradise. Is it really worth $10+/hr for 9-11 years?
The SNJ does have a $5K lower bonus.

Or call it $5K because you want DFW or shorter reserve. But most of the time 175s have been getting option of DFW or ORD, so call it what you want.
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I think we should stop discussing negotiation points on a forum which management can and almost certainly does frequent. 2 years ago as a newhire I used to roll my eyes at the comment I'm making now. Two years later and I've changed my tune. It's not worth discussing here, IMO.
Yeah, because stye don't know exactly what we're thinking and saying.

They're mean as *******, but they aren't stupid.
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ENY Pilots should just take a big chill pill because ultimately AAG isn't going to hamstring the hiring at 2 of their 3 WO carriers. Let SP do what he was appointed to do.
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ENY Pilots should just take a big chill pill because ultimately AAG isn't going to hamstring the hiring at 2 of their 3 WO carriers. Let SP do what he was appointed to do.
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