What Should Envoy ALPA Do?
04-06-2019, 03:20 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by dera
You're forgetting one thing about union motives.
Most of them are close to flowing.
Whats the best way to ensure company doesnt start throttling the flow?
Yep. Make sure new hires are showing up, and that you dont end up in a ****list that prevents you from flowing.
That's a conflict of interest right there.
Most of them are close to flowing.
Whats the best way to ensure company doesnt start throttling the flow?
Yep. Make sure new hires are showing up, and that you dont end up in a ****list that prevents you from flowing.
That's a conflict of interest right there.
04-06-2019, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by dera
You're forgetting one thing about union motives.
Most of them are close to flowing.
Whats the best way to ensure company doesnt start throttling the flow?
Yep. Make sure new hires are showing up, and that you dont end up in a ****list that prevents you from flowing.
That's a conflict of interest right there.
Most of them are close to flowing.
Whats the best way to ensure company doesnt start throttling the flow?
Yep. Make sure new hires are showing up, and that you dont end up in a ****list that prevents you from flowing.
That's a conflict of interest right there.
I personally heard an ALPA rep who flowed recently say “we dont need Endeavor rates at Envoy we need faster flow” this was around the time a grievance was settled for temp increased flow
04-06-2019, 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by EnyFlyr
Sounds about right.
I personally heard an ALPA rep who flowed recently say “we dont need Endeavor rates at Envoy we need faster flow” this was around the time a grievance was settled for temp increased flow
I personally heard an ALPA rep who flowed recently say “we dont need Endeavor rates at Envoy we need faster flow” this was around the time a grievance was settled for temp increased flow
04-06-2019, 03:50 PM
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Duh, of course not. PSA has an equivalent flow-through and just below Endeavor pay rates.
The question is how much do people value ORD and DFW bases and a lottery shot at shiny jet short reserve paradise. Is it really worth $10+/hr for 9-11 years?
The question is how much do people value ORD and DFW bases and a lottery shot at shiny jet short reserve paradise. Is it really worth $10+/hr for 9-11 years?
04-06-2019, 04:00 PM
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I think we should stop discussing negotiation points on a forum which management can and almost certainly does frequent. 2 years ago as a newhire I used to roll my eyes at the comment I'm making now. Two years later and I've changed my tune. It's not worth discussing here, IMO.
04-06-2019, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by NoValueAviator
Duh, of course not. PSA has an equivalent flow-through and just below Endeavor pay rates.
The question is how much do people value ORD and DFW bases and a lottery shot at shiny jet short reserve paradise. Is it really worth $10+/hr for 9-11 years?
The question is how much do people value ORD and DFW bases and a lottery shot at shiny jet short reserve paradise. Is it really worth $10+/hr for 9-11 years?
Or call it $5K because you want DFW or shorter reserve. But most of the time 175s have been getting option of DFW or ORD, so call it what you want.
04-06-2019, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by cbrpilot
I think we should stop discussing negotiation points on a forum which management can and almost certainly does frequent. 2 years ago as a newhire I used to roll my eyes at the comment I'm making now. Two years later and I've changed my tune. It's not worth discussing here, IMO.
They're mean as *******, but they aren't stupid.
04-07-2019, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by 272922
ENY Pilots should just take a big chill pill because ultimately AAG isn't going to hamstring the hiring at 2 of their 3 WO carriers. Let SP do what he was appointed to do.
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