Envoy's low wages makes the news
05-01-2019, 11:05 AM
#11
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
These numbers seem off... I'm not buying it.
But for those who believe this, why does the union let the company get away with it?
But for those who believe this, why does the union let the company get away with it?
05-01-2019, 02:40 PM
#13
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Position: Whale FO
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Originally Posted by Varsity
In their defense. It's pretty difficult to make ends meet on envoy's $1600/month FO salary.
On reserve, my first paycheck is around 1100. I pick up OT pretty aggressively, my last second paycheck was 2200. First year new hire FO. Thats 3300, take home, per month.
I find it hard to believe my numbers would be somehow different from normal.
05-01-2019, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by dera
1600? Where do you come up with these numbers?
On reserve, my first paycheck is around 1100. I pick up OT pretty aggressively, my last second paycheck was 2200. First year new hire FO. Thats 3300, take home, per month.
I find it hard to believe my numbers would be somehow different from normal.
On reserve, my first paycheck is around 1100. I pick up OT pretty aggressively, my last second paycheck was 2200. First year new hire FO. Thats 3300, take home, per month.
I find it hard to believe my numbers would be somehow different from normal.
I know your next response, so save it. Envoy isn't for commuters blah blah blah. The bottom line is the flow is losing value by the day and we are under paid for what we do. Stop and think about it for a second. On any given day, we have hundreds of peoples lives in our hands and millions of dollars of equipment we are responsible for, all for $35000-$40,000 a year while spending a large part of our lives away from loved ones. Let that sink in.
The flow can go away at any time once the PP's are gone and we are left with sub-standard wages with **** poor quality of life. Sure things are great sitting reserve in base, but you are the minority and you can find yourself stuck at Envoy for a long time if things go south. You will wish you didn't defend the company so much and had higher pay.
The real question Dera is why do you consistently come on here and defend the company while trying to justify industry leading bottom wages, qol and reserve rules? What do you have to gain from this?
Stop defending the company and encouraging others to come here, you are doing them a disservice and only helping the company.
05-01-2019, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Cyio
I am convinced more and more each day you are the love child of crj700. Sure, you are getting lucky and live in base. However, more than 60% of our pilot group doesn't live in base and OT isn't as easy to pick up.
I know your next response, so save it. Envoy isn't for commuters blah blah blah. The bottom line is the flow is losing value by the day and we are under paid for what we do. Stop and think about it for a second. On any given day, we have hundreds of peoples lives in our hands and millions of dollars of equipment we are responsible for, all for $35000-$40,000 a year while spending a large part of our lives away from loved ones. Let that sink in.
The flow can go away at any time once the PP's are gone and we are left with sub-standard wages with **** poor quality of life. Sure things are great sitting reserve in base, but you are the minority and you can find yourself stuck at Envoy for a long time if things go south. You will wish you didn't defend the company so much and had higher pay.
The real question Dera is why do you consistently come on here and defend the company while trying to justify industry leading bottom wages, qol and reserve rules? What do you have to gain from this?
Stop defending the company and encouraging others to come here, you are doing them a disservice and only helping the company.
I know your next response, so save it. Envoy isn't for commuters blah blah blah. The bottom line is the flow is losing value by the day and we are under paid for what we do. Stop and think about it for a second. On any given day, we have hundreds of peoples lives in our hands and millions of dollars of equipment we are responsible for, all for $35000-$40,000 a year while spending a large part of our lives away from loved ones. Let that sink in.
The flow can go away at any time once the PP's are gone and we are left with sub-standard wages with **** poor quality of life. Sure things are great sitting reserve in base, but you are the minority and you can find yourself stuck at Envoy for a long time if things go south. You will wish you didn't defend the company so much and had higher pay.
The real question Dera is why do you consistently come on here and defend the company while trying to justify industry leading bottom wages, qol and reserve rules? What do you have to gain from this?
Stop defending the company and encouraging others to come here, you are doing them a disservice and only helping the company.
05-01-2019, 03:27 PM
#16
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Originally Posted by Cyio
I am convinced more and more each day you are the love child of crj700. Sure, you are getting lucky and live in base. However, more than 60% of our pilot group doesn't live in base and OT isn't as easy to pick up.
I know your next response, so save it. Envoy isn't for commuters blah blah blah. The bottom line is the flow is losing value by the day and we are under paid for what we do. Stop and think about it for a second. On any given day, we have hundreds of peoples lives in our hands and millions of dollars of equipment we are responsible for, all for $35000-$40,000 a year while spending a large part of our lives away from loved ones. Let that sink in.
The flow can go away at any time once the PP's are gone and we are left with sub-standard wages with **** poor quality of life. Sure things are great sitting reserve in base, but you are the minority and you can find yourself stuck at Envoy for a long time if things go south. You will wish you didn't defend the company so much and had higher pay.
The real question Dera is why do you consistently come on here and defend the company while trying to justify industry leading bottom wages, qol and reserve rules? What do you have to gain from this?
Stop defending the company and encouraging others to come here, you are doing them a disservice and only helping the company.
I know your next response, so save it. Envoy isn't for commuters blah blah blah. The bottom line is the flow is losing value by the day and we are under paid for what we do. Stop and think about it for a second. On any given day, we have hundreds of peoples lives in our hands and millions of dollars of equipment we are responsible for, all for $35000-$40,000 a year while spending a large part of our lives away from loved ones. Let that sink in.
The flow can go away at any time once the PP's are gone and we are left with sub-standard wages with **** poor quality of life. Sure things are great sitting reserve in base, but you are the minority and you can find yourself stuck at Envoy for a long time if things go south. You will wish you didn't defend the company so much and had higher pay.
The real question Dera is why do you consistently come on here and defend the company while trying to justify industry leading bottom wages, qol and reserve rules? What do you have to gain from this?
Stop defending the company and encouraging others to come here, you are doing them a disservice and only helping the company.
You guys seriously think your three-man-campaign here will cause any significant movement on either side?
That's some serious delusion of grandeur right there.
I'm not encouraging anyone to come here. But I'm trying to provide facts, so they can decide it themselves. You just lose all credibility you have when you don't stick to the facts.
I'm not "getting lucky" and live in base - I lived in DFW before I applied, and I am stuck here. There was a chance that I might have had to commute for a bit, who cares? I chose the regional with the most stable DFW base. So far it's working out for me.
And hey, how about this? The best way to secure movement, flow etc, is to get new hires through the door. If that door closes, suddenly we get stagnation, flow restrictions and so on. That's what you want?
05-01-2019, 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by dera
1600? Where do you come up with these numbers?
On reserve, my first paycheck is around 1100. I pick up OT pretty aggressively, my last second paycheck was 2200. First year new hire FO. Thats 3300, take home, per month.
I find it hard to believe my numbers would be somehow different from normal.
On reserve, my first paycheck is around 1100. I pick up OT pretty aggressively, my last second paycheck was 2200. First year new hire FO. Thats 3300, take home, per month.
I find it hard to believe my numbers would be somehow different from normal.
05-01-2019, 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Cyio
I am convinced more and more each day you are the love child of crj700. Sure, you are getting lucky and live in base. However, more than 60% of our pilot group doesn't live in base and OT isn't as easy to pick up.
I know your next response, so save it. Envoy isn't for commuters blah blah blah. The bottom line is the flow is losing value by the day and we are under paid for what we do. Stop and think about it for a second. On any given day, we have hundreds of peoples lives in our hands and millions of dollars of equipment we are responsible for, all for $35000-$40,000 a year while spending a large part of our lives away from loved ones. Let that sink in.
The flow can go away at any time once the PP's are gone and we are left with sub-standard wages with **** poor quality of life. Sure things are great sitting reserve in base, but you are the minority and you can find yourself stuck at Envoy for a long time if things go south. You will wish you didn't defend the company so much and had higher pay.
The real question Dera is why do you consistently come on here and defend the company while trying to justify industry leading bottom wages, qol and reserve rules? What do you have to gain from this?
Stop defending the company and encouraging others to come here, you are doing them a disservice and only helping the company.
I know your next response, so save it. Envoy isn't for commuters blah blah blah. The bottom line is the flow is losing value by the day and we are under paid for what we do. Stop and think about it for a second. On any given day, we have hundreds of peoples lives in our hands and millions of dollars of equipment we are responsible for, all for $35000-$40,000 a year while spending a large part of our lives away from loved ones. Let that sink in.
The flow can go away at any time once the PP's are gone and we are left with sub-standard wages with **** poor quality of life. Sure things are great sitting reserve in base, but you are the minority and you can find yourself stuck at Envoy for a long time if things go south. You will wish you didn't defend the company so much and had higher pay.
The real question Dera is why do you consistently come on here and defend the company while trying to justify industry leading bottom wages, qol and reserve rules? What do you have to gain from this?
Stop defending the company and encouraging others to come here, you are doing them a disservice and only helping the company.
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