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ERAUAV8TR 05-16-2019 08:29 AM

Employee Morale All Time LOW
 
I haven’t seen employee morale so low since 2014 when we weren’t hiring and people were flowing on reserve. Today, first officers are realizing they made a big mistake coming here. Their company pride is GONE. Flow is not worth low pay and quality life. Forced displacements and tdy. Pay is a HUGE problem that could be fixed. We are professionals and should be paid like professionals. Just sad that the company continues to let their image sink further and further!

Mesa > Envoy

MochaSwirl 05-16-2019 08:55 AM

I was doing my trip the other day with an FO and he was a RTP guy.

He said they most certainly sold the flow to him, but he also said he felt lied to in regards to flow times.

He also told me 3 people from his class alone jumped ship to greener pastures as well.

RTP guys are happy, because I guess they’re not flying in the forces anymore, but many are without a clue as to how bad things really are here.

A d@mn shame really.

Jumpseatcrawler 05-16-2019 09:10 AM

. I always tried to go the extra mile really but it became increasingly hard to see how others get so much more in quality of life and compensation.

Now I just show up, i fly, i’m out.

Not to mention being called to the CPO to give an explanation on why i called in sick as if i was a 15 year old who skipped school. I am in my mid 30’s and consider myself a professional. I feel i deserve better than have to show up and say “I had diarreah and i did not think i could go to the lavatory in my e145 on a Waco turn.”

Good thing is i have noticed an increase in first officers and captains who are updating their apps EVERYWHERE.

Lets keep doing our jobs, standby and wait for our Unions response and take it from there.

cbrpilot 05-16-2019 09:12 AM

How does the union (and company) view informational picketing on company property? I can only assume it's a definite no-no. I just wonder how effective some actual pilot employees, in the flesh, would be at passing along raw data prior to newhire interviews.

crj700 05-16-2019 09:16 AM


Originally Posted by Jumpseatcrawler (Post 2821255)
. I always tried to go the extra mile really but it became increasingly hard to see how others get so much more in quality of life and compensation.

Now I just show up, i fly, i’m out.

Not to mention being called to the CPO to give an explanation on why i called in sick as if i was a 15 year old who skipped school. I am in my mid 30’s and consider myself a professional. I feel i deserve better than have to show up and say “I had diarreah and i did not think i could go to the lavatory in my e145 on a Waco turn.”

Good thing is i have noticed an increase in first officers and captains who are updating their apps EVERYWHERE.

Lets keep doing our jobs, standby and wait for our Unions response and take it from there.

That's a HIPPA violation. All you are required to tell them is you were physically unfit to fly that day. They are not physicians, therefore have no valid need to know the specifics of a medical condition you may be experiencing.

Jumpseatcrawler 05-16-2019 09:18 AM


Originally Posted by cbrpilot (Post 2821256)
How does the union (and company) view informational picketing on company property? I can only assume it's a definite no-no. I just wonder how effective some actual pilot employees, in the flesh, would be at passing along raw data prior to newhire interviews.

I think stuff like that should not be discussed here bro. There must be lot’s of management little birds (Game of thrones reference) around here. Try sending an email with suggestions to your ALPA rep.

Remember ANYONE can see this online message boards.

Cyio 05-16-2019 10:35 AM


Originally Posted by cbrpilot (Post 2821256)
How does the union (and company) view informational picketing on company property? I can only assume it's a definite no-no. I just wonder how effective some actual pilot employees, in the flesh, would be at passing along raw data prior to newhire interviews.

As another said, discussing things like that here is a huge no no. Contact ALPA or your reps to get that answer.

cbrpilot 05-16-2019 10:42 AM

Well, trying to delete my comment but my phone doesn't show the option. I'll delete it once I get to a PC. Point taken, my apologies.

pitchattitude 05-16-2019 12:16 PM


Originally Posted by cbrpilot (Post 2821314)
Well, trying to delete my comment but my phone doesn't show the option. I'll delete it once I get to a PC. Point taken, my apologies.

Probably can’t now. And the fact that it’s been quoted, even if you delete it it won’t be deleted from the quotes.

Pedro4President 05-16-2019 12:25 PM


Originally Posted by ERAUAV8TR (Post 2821234)
I haven’t seen employee morale so low since 2014 when we weren’t hiring and people were flowing on reserve. Today, first officers are realizing they made a big mistake coming here. Their company pride is GONE. Flow is not worth low pay and quality life. Forced displacements and tdy. Pay is a HUGE problem that could be fixed. We are professionals and should be paid like professionals. Just sad that the company continues to let their image sink further and further!

Mesa > Envoy


Alright You have to be smoking something or you weren’t here in 2014. It’s ten times better here than in 2014 based on every metric. Hyperbole aside we have become a bottom regional based on pretty much every metric. QOL/Pay (end of the month pay check is very far behind) ect.....


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