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Old 06-15-2019 | 04:33 PM
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Union must have got us a great deal. Remember the first rule of negotiations, always be willing to walk away. This isn't over.

But if, in the mean time, the company got a butt load of PRIA requests from PSA and Piedmont that probably wouldn't hurt our chances.
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Old 06-15-2019 | 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by MD-11Loader
It appears that Envoy was poised to make gains above what the others did and that probably got someone all riled up at AAG.
Maybe it wasn't for 16 years in duration like in the 90's
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Old 06-15-2019 | 04:48 PM
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As I understand it, just like for PSA and Piedmont, the deal AAG offered was for pay rates and nothing more. Envoy made some substantial gains including pay rates. AAG said no.

WO managements are really nothing more than middle management running small airlines. Major changes to work rules and compensation still need approval from AAG.
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Old 06-15-2019 | 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
As I understand it, just like for PSA and Piedmont, the deal AAG offered was for pay rates and nothing more. Envoy made some substantial gains including pay rates. AAG said no.

WO managements are really nothing more than middle management running small airlines. Major changes to work rules and compensation still need approval from AAG.
Ours was different in that they came to us with pay raises and concessions and the union said no. We can’t all just be AAG’s favorite love doll like you guys are.
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Old 06-15-2019 | 05:16 PM
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What is the point of signing an agreement when there is no consequence if you go back on it?
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Old 06-15-2019 | 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by mketch11
What is the point of signing an agreement when there is no consequence if you go back on it?
Wondering this as well. The union didn't even draft the agreement language, the company did. Twice.
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Old 06-15-2019 | 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by MD-11Loader
Ours was different in that they came to us with pay raises and concessions and the union said no. We can’t all just be AAG’s favorite love doll like you guys are.
Why would they come to Envoy looking for concessions and not PSA or Piedmont?
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Old 06-15-2019 | 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
Why would they come to Envoy looking for concessions and not PSA or Piedmont?
Because you all are the beloved of US Airways for your past actions. PDT tried to get work rules improvements and they were shot down. Our management hates us. They thought a deal that paid us roughly $8/hr less than you was acceptable.

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Old 06-15-2019 | 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by MD-11Loader
Because you all are the beloved of US Airways for your past actions. PDT tried to get work rules improvements and they were shot down. Our management hates us. They though a deal that paid us roughly $8/hr less than you was acceptable.
They’ll come back to the table. They’ll have to.
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Old 06-15-2019 | 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
They’ll come back to the table. They’ll have to.
Agreed. Their decision making was poor and they have now united the pilots in hatred towards them.
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