AA Flow @ 9+ Years
07-03-2019 | 01:37 PM
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It wasn’t a loophole. It was something the company agreed to in a signed LOA. Now they arbitrarily changed it without negotiation with ALPA hence the grievance.
Really it won’t affect many at all except the few that took ‘sick leave’ for many years as an FO and are now ‘fit’ only 6-7 months prior to what they thought was their original flow.
Also it wasn’t always the case you needed to be a CA to flow. FO’s used to be able to flow.
Really it won’t affect many at all except the few that took ‘sick leave’ for many years as an FO and are now ‘fit’ only 6-7 months prior to what they thought was their original flow.
Also it wasn’t always the case you needed to be a CA to flow. FO’s used to be able to flow.
Yeah, it's a crappy move from the company, they know they get this one for free because the arbitration takes longer than the flow lock. But I wouldn't say the FO's are squeaky clean with this either. Their plan backfired. I just can't see this as a huge plan by the company to restrict flow, as some here suggest.
This doesn't affect the protected pilots, no? The protected FOs can still flow?
07-03-2019 | 02:36 PM
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If it affects 1 it's too many. You really are not taking this as seriously as you should. Don't be an apologist for the company. What if you were that one, and you thought you were abiding by the contract and the company decides to screw you. Should we fight for you or nah?
07-03-2019 | 02:52 PM
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When that LOA was signed, I don't think anyone thought it would ever come to this, with a few FOs playing the "sick leave" game, working their second job, and going directly to mainline.
Yeah, it's a crappy move from the company, they know they get this one for free because the arbitration takes longer than the flow lock. But I wouldn't say the FO's are squeaky clean with this either. Their plan backfired. I just can't see this as a huge plan by the company to restrict flow, as some here suggest.
This doesn't affect the protected pilots, no? The protected FOs can still flow?
Yeah, it's a crappy move from the company, they know they get this one for free because the arbitration takes longer than the flow lock. But I wouldn't say the FO's are squeaky clean with this either. Their plan backfired. I just can't see this as a huge plan by the company to restrict flow, as some here suggest.
This doesn't affect the protected pilots, no? The protected FOs can still flow?
07-03-2019 | 03:06 PM
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Did not Rick's letter say displaced to a Capt position. PPG pilots are to senior to be displaced anywhere they dont want to, and since the ppg does not require to be a captain then they wont be effected. They are all gone by january 2020.
07-03-2019 | 08:10 PM
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From: Whale FO
There are 2 PPG FO's who have been displaced.
07-03-2019 | 08:11 PM
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07-03-2019 | 08:27 PM
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dera said "knowing some of the FOs I have no sympathy"
Weird that a supposed 1st year FO on rsv knows people that have been on leave from the company for 3-4 years. Or are you done pretending you're a line pilot again?
Weird that a supposed 1st year FO on rsv knows people that have been on leave from the company for 3-4 years. Or are you done pretending you're a line pilot again?
07-03-2019 | 09:21 PM
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From: Whale FO
Company starts enforcing upgrades -> FO gets a waiver from the company to stay an FO because he "lost and can't hold" a first class medical -> Company approves said waiver -> time to flow approaches -> Divine Intervention, said pilot can now hold a first class medical!.
Sorry, I don't believe in coincidences like that.
They hog the super sweet day trip lines so no-one else can get them, and everyone knows they are full of sh*t with their "medical issues" or whatever excuse they have used to avoid upgrading.
Sorry, I don't believe in coincidences like that.
They hog the super sweet day trip lines so no-one else can get them, and everyone knows they are full of sh*t with their "medical issues" or whatever excuse they have used to avoid upgrading.
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