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Originally Posted by coodrough568
(Post 3248192)
Endeavor’s flown isn’t even signed yet and from how it reads, it’s still no guarantee flow. Sounds like Delta can pick and choose if you fit their diversity quota or not, and also determine if Endeavor can afford to lose pilots to the flow..
- The flow LOA is signed, in effect and first class is in August. - The minimum is 20 per month, each month that DAL hires. - Endeavor can hold back flow pilots, but they receive Delta seniority numbers. The amount of months varies. The pick and choose you’re referencing is for the LOA requiring 35% of new hires to be from a ALPA DCI carrier. That DAL does have discretion over to an extent. But the 20 a month is part of that 35% quota. |
Originally Posted by Meow1215
(Post 3248220)
Lots of incorrect information.
- The flow LOA is signed, in effect and first class is in August. - The minimum is 20 per month, each month that DAL hires. - Endeavor can hold back flow pilots, but they receive Delta seniority numbers. The amount of months varies. The pick and choose you’re referencing is for the LOA requiring 35% of new hires to be from a ALPA DCI carrier. That DAL does have discretion over to an extent. But the 20 a month is part of that 35% quota. |
Originally Posted by Approach1260
(Post 3248252)
Did I read correctly that new hires wouldn't be included in the flow program? If so that would suck, but at least you could count on your seniority going up by 20 a month.
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Originally Posted by Meow1215
(Post 3248267)
100% correct, and anyone considering Endeavor needs seriously reconsider that decision. The association is actively trying to change that, but look how long the current career progression negotiations took. There are better options, and DGI is just a coin flip.
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Originally Posted by KirillTheThrill
(Post 3248273)
Why did the flow program get moved back to August?
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Originally Posted by coodrough568
(Post 3248291)
So is this basically what envoy did, where “certain” people “flowed” faster, and then everyone after them was metered down more? Except in Endeavors case, no new hires even flow.
that sounds like an absolute worthless load of crap, and we even had ENY-MEC reps advocating to go to endeavor... I think your reps were advocating that before it was known that the flow does not apply to new hires. |
Originally Posted by KelvinHelmholtz
(Post 3248300)
It’s 20 a month for everyone on the seniority list at the DOS of the LOA. No ratios or percentages depending on date of hire like Envoy has.
I think your reps were advocating that before it was known that the flow does not apply to new hires. |
Originally Posted by dera
(Post 3248305)
The Endeavor flow deal went from "damn, thats a good deal" to "wtf are they thinking?" in a matter of a few hours. Now it's just a seniority list flush that has no effect on recruiting.
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