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KirillTheThrill 06-10-2021 06:13 PM
Originally Posted by KelvinHelmholtz (Post 3248298)
Because contractually we have 45 days to either opt in or out of the flow.
Why would you not immediately get those pilots at the top of the list flowing?

pitchattitude 06-10-2021 07:17 PM
Originally Posted by dera (Post 3248305)
The Endeavor flow deal went from "damn, thats a good deal" to "wtf are they thinking?" in a matter of a few hours. Now it's just a seniority list flush that has no effect on recruiting.
I don’t think this was ever about recruiting. This was about Delta being able to fly more regional jets. They figure even without the flow they can fill those RJ flight decks and by taking the most expensive pilots off the top of the seniority list, they can fill them for a lower overall cost. Much like the flow works to push some upward movement of the seniority list, that will do the same at Endeavor, which isn’t as good a recruiting tool as a REAL guaranteed flow, it still has appeal to many, especially at a company like Endeavor that already has a lot going for it.

TransWorld 06-10-2021 07:31 PM
Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 3247957)
Sounds about right. The less classes they do and the bigger they are, the smaller the flow presence because of how it's structured, so naturally they'll avoid doing classes as long as possible before "kicking it into high gear" with a few huge ones to devalue the flow as much as possible.
You are misinterpreting the facts. As I said, there is no room in the schoolhouse for new hires until requals are completed. They are jam packed full. That is not because AA is out to screw the flows over.

AV8R72 06-10-2021 10:24 PM
Originally Posted by TransWorld (Post 3248360)
You are misinterpreting the facts. As I said, there is no room in the schoolhouse for new hires until requals are completed. They are jam packed full. That is not because AA is out to screw the flows over.
I can’t understand why AA is projected to hire 1/2 of what United will and 1/3 of what delta will in the next 18 months.

Varsity 06-11-2021 07:47 AM
Originally Posted by AV8R72 (Post 3248386)
I can’t understand why AA is projected to hire 1/2 of what United will and 1/3 of what delta will in the next 18 months.
Easy. AA is broke, UA and DL are not.

One will shrink, the other two will buy airplanes and expand.

dera 06-11-2021 07:51 AM
Well, glad the flow is only 5.6 years for a new hire today.

Varsity 06-11-2021 07:54 AM
Originally Posted by dera (Post 3248504)
Well, glad the flow is only 5.6 years for a new hire today.
Am I allowed to quit and get rehired? According to Ric's email, I'll flow faster.

dera 06-11-2021 07:57 AM
Originally Posted by Varsity (Post 3248507)
Am I allowed to quit and get rehired? According to Ric's email, I'll flow faster.
Same here. Been here for 2.5 years and would have around 5.5 left. Better to be a new hire.

rld1k 06-11-2021 08:03 AM
has anyone emailed ric and asked his methodology for his numbers?

dera 06-11-2021 08:24 AM
Originally Posted by rld1k (Post 3248513)
has anyone emailed ric and asked his methodology for his numbers?
Yes, multiple times. He has always ignored them.


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