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dera 12-28-2019 04:15 PM


Originally Posted by ninerdriver (Post 2946647)
You'd make a ton of money, and you'd retire super senior. You wouldn't have to worry about flowing back to Envoy once AA runs out of money.

Yeah, it's only a ton of money, not a crap ton. Still sounds like a win to me.

I can almost guarantee anyone retiring with $4mil in the bank is not regretting the fact that he doesn't have $5mil.

black cat 12-28-2019 07:45 PM


Originally Posted by ninerdriver (Post 2946647)
You'd make a ton of money, and you'd retire super senior. You wouldn't have to worry about flowing back to Envoy once AA runs out of money.

Yeah, it's only a ton of money, not a crap ton. Still sounds like a win to me.

Absolutely. Spirit is a good gig with some awesome QOL items going on for them. But make no mistake, there is big money to be made at AA. There are an insane amount of retirements on the horizon. And we have more than a few guys making over half a million a year. And we have plenty of guys making big money being home as much as possible. Either way, you can't go wrong. You want ultimate QOL, go to Spirit. You want less QOL and big money, go AA. Just depends on what you're after.

Varsity 12-29-2019 03:28 AM


Originally Posted by black cat (Post 2946724)
Absolutely. Spirit is a good gig with some awesome QOL items going on for them. But make no mistake, there is big money to be made at AA. There are an insane amount of retirements on the horizon. And we have more than a few guys making over half a million a year. And we have plenty of guys making big money being home as much as possible. Either way, you can't go wrong. You want ultimate QOL, go to Spirit. You want less QOL and big money, go AA. Just depends on what you're after.

Disagree. AA's soft pay rules are probably the worst in the industry, worse than spirit. All open time at Spirit is 200%, pay protection, great rigs.

AA's old guard is so obsessed with pay rates the company hood winks them on soft pay and QOL.

Voski 12-29-2019 05:31 AM


Originally Posted by black cat (Post 2946724)
Absolutely. Spirit is a good gig with some awesome QOL items going on for them. But make no mistake, there is big money to be made at AA. There are an insane amount of retirements on the horizon. And we have more than a few guys making over half a million a year. And we have plenty of guys making big money being home as much as possible. Either way, you can't go wrong. You want ultimate QOL, go to Spirit. You want less QOL and big money, go AA. Just depends on what you're after.

All great points. Unfortunately for guys with 5 or more years to flow, you’re going to be 6,000+ seniority numbers junior to the 1,200+ new hires they’re projected to be bringing in each year. Given your relative seniority number and age, your odds of making the big widebody money diminishes significantly (if you’re old enough, you may never make widebody captain). That said, the LCCs are very likely to be as good or even better in terms of QOL.

THKooj 12-29-2019 08:35 AM


Originally Posted by black cat (Post 2946724)
Absolutely. Spirit is a good gig with some awesome QOL items going on for them. But make no mistake, there is big money to be made at AA. There are an insane amount of retirements on the horizon. And we have more than a few guys making over half a million a year. And we have plenty of guys making big money being home as much as possible. Either way, you can't go wrong. You want ultimate QOL, go to Spirit. You want less QOL and big money, go AA. Just depends on what you're after.

You've got it partially right. There is big money to be made at AA. The whole argument about going to Spirit is absurd when you have the opportunity to fly for AA. Unless you don't have a degree, have checkride failures or skeletons in the closet. Those are 99% of your hires at Spirit and they wouldn't cut it at an Envoy interview.

AV8R72 12-29-2019 09:22 AM


Originally Posted by THKooj (Post 2946943)
You've got it partially right. There is big money to be made at AA. The whole argument about going to Spirit is absurd when you have the opportunity to fly for AA. Unless you don't have a degree, have checkride failures or skeletons in the closet. Those are 99% of your hires at Spirit and they wouldn't cut it at an Envoy interview.

That’s laughable considering the number of Envoy CAs that have told me they have an app in at Spirit

daOldMan 12-29-2019 09:31 AM

Is there any way that Spirit will still be in business in 7 years from now?

If you think so, then you really need to look at the history of this industry. Spirit is a fun place to hang out for a couple years, but there is absolutely zero chance that they will be in business 10 years from now.

Chato 12-29-2019 09:37 AM


Originally Posted by THKooj (Post 2946943)
You've got it partially right. There is big money to be made at AA. The whole argument about going to Spirit is absurd when you have the opportunity to fly for AA. Unless you don't have a degree, have checkride failures or skeletons in the closet. Those are 99% of your hires at Spirit and they wouldn't cut it at an Envoy interview.

I know of a LCA who went for an interview at Spirit recently and recently I mean in the past two weeks or so

Varsity 12-29-2019 09:52 AM


Originally Posted by daOldMan (Post 2946981)
Is there any way that Spirit will still be in business in 7 years from now?

If you think so, then you really need to look at the history of this industry. Spirit is a fun place to hang out for a couple years, but there is absolutely zero chance that they will be in business 10 years from now.

It's more likely Spirit buys AA than Spirit goes out of business.

buddies8 12-29-2019 10:17 AM


Originally Posted by Varsity (Post 2946999)
It's more likely Spirit buys AA than Spirit goes out of business.

More likely buys aa assets while aag is in bankruptcy.
Only 2 airlines have made money every day since Sept 1st 2001, that's spirit and southwest.
Aa will be in bk court 2021 but no later than 2022,.
Just an opinion.


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