Nothing prevents you from creating it from scratch. You have all the data you need.

If you want to edit the current one, talk to the guy who made it.

It's not an ALPA project. It's done by one guy. Email him directly if you want to take over. Tell us what he says.

For someone in management I would think this is easy to get, for a regular line pilot you would probably have to go through ALPA to get specific attrition information and they usually take a long time to reply. I’ve had to email them several times on certain things until they eventually reply.

It sounds like you already did so why don't you tell us what he said. I do know of guys running their own list then again I don’t know how accurate this would be, prob don’t trust those numbers as they get not back up from the union like that one guy does.

All the information that is on the two seniority list spread sheets may be available to all union members, but it is not readily accessible. No one wants to get 2000 emails a month asking about updates to the information. Guys that do stuff for the union do enough. The whole point of the list is it is compiled and in one location that can be accessed simply by logging onto the union website.

If the union was to post all the information on a regular basis on the secure website so it was accessible in the same manner I’m sure that would be a 90% solution. I’m sure there would be plenty of people who would compile the information available because they want it themselves and share what they did.

Copy, paste, edit said list??? Just a thought.

It’s just a matter of sorting out the information that’s already there and putting it on an xls but apparently thats frowned upon according to ALPA due to the “intelectual property” of the person who first created it.

It’s also password protected from editing. But if someone could parse the data they could paste it into excel and then give it to ALPA or maintain it themselves. Really dumb how this is even an issue the original guy who made it isn’t selling it nor did he make any money off of it, I think....


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Why the author hasn't shared his information with others, I don't know. But it is his prerogative to keep that to himself.
But why not do it yourself?

Easy: You get the movement from one seat to another and new hires from the flow plan, then you run a DECS script that runs a *4 for every pilot on the list and finds the people who has a RE/DE/RT in there. And then parse all these results into a .CSV file.

The flow date calculation is a simple excel formula.

The list could use additional features as well. You could run a 21 for everyone and see who has what line. That way it could list the junior lineholder for each seat.

Now that you know one way to do it, why won't you go ahead and take the project on? I can guarantee the Union would support you fully with this.

We can also call our MEC reps and express a desire for a updated list if it’s such a “this is ours” issue.

It's "this is mine" issue, not "this is ours".
ALPA (well. ENY MEC to be more exact) has no rights to the list.
The person with the access is not with Envoy any more. It's 100% his call if he wants to update it or not.

I was told the *4 code is restricted for most people.