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speedbrakearmed 01-21-2020 02:30 PM


Originally Posted by Pilot Patrick (Post 2961304)
So the pay is 1st year captain and not first year FO?

Yes, as a Captain you'll be paid the Captain rate. I believe its like $75ish an hour?

Pilot Patrick 01-21-2020 02:52 PM

Cool, thanks!!!

Jumpseatcrawler 01-21-2020 03:30 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2961258)
The CA is back on the line.

Did spirit call Dera? Oh no, they don’t care about your less than 2800 hour non PIC experience. Looks like someone got displaced to e145 captain and is no longer living In His land of unicorns. Remember during contract negotiations how you said we all just complain and %{*}++ so
much, cause you had it great? Your about to see how the other half of the airline Lives ;)

cheers from JetBlue my friend.

good luck in the polls.

Pilot Patrick 01-21-2020 03:49 PM

Seeing some responses, thank you speedbrakearmed!!

MEGAFUPM 01-21-2020 04:11 PM


Originally Posted by Jumpseatcrawler (Post 2961356)
Did spirit call Dera? Oh no, they don’t care about your less than 2800 hour non PIC experience. Looks like someone got displaced to e145 captain and is no longer living In His land of unicorns. Remember during contract negotiations how you said we all just complain and %{*}++ so
much, cause you had it great? Your about to see how the other half of the airline Lives ;)

cheers from JetBlue my friend.

good luck in the polls.

He isn't a captain yet. And also looks like he's running for a FO union spot. That should be interesting.

LowvalueFO 01-21-2020 04:59 PM

As a direct entry captain, you start right away with the captain's pay rate during training. The current sign-on bonus is 50K.
You will do CBT's, Groundschool then your ORAL which you have to pass before you go to the Simulator training.
Once you pass your type ride, you get signed off for IOE. I believe its currently 50 hours for direct entry captains, not sure what it is for the near entry guys as they start out as FO.

Verify with recruiting the pay rates as I am not sure if the near entry guys get paid FO or CA pay.

As previously said, be aware that you are looking at about 3 years plus of reserve time, make sure the sign-on bonus is worth it, they don't pay that out of kindness.

New York and Chicago will be your only option for a while, DFW and MIA will be out of reach for quite some time.

Hope this helps.

dera 01-21-2020 05:02 PM


Originally Posted by LowvalueFO (Post 2961413)
As a direct entry captain, you start right away with the captain's pay rate during training. The current sign-on bonus is 50K.
You will do CBT's, Groundschool then your ORAL which you have to pass before you go to the Simulator training.
Once you pass your type ride, you get signed off for IOE. I believe its currently 50 hours for direct entry captains, not sure what it is for the near entry guys as they start out as FO.

Verify with recruiting the pay rates as I am not sure if the near entry guys get paid FO or CA pay.

As previously said, be aware that you are looking at about 3 years plus of reserve time, make sure the sign-on bonus is worth it, they don't pay that out of kindness.

New York and Chicago will be your only option for a while, DFW and MIA will be out of reach for quite some time.

Hope this helps.

It is 50 hours of IOE for all captains, including QU's.

pitchattitude 01-21-2020 05:06 PM


Originally Posted by Pilot Patrick (Post 2961304)
So the pay is 1st year captain and not first year FO?

As I understand, you will start at FO pay but as soon as you are awarded a captain seat, either through standing bid or regular vacancy, you begin receiving captain pay. If you have the hours and qualify, you might as well put in for the standing bid to get the pay sooner. That being said, not 100% sure there is currently a standing vacancy. Prior to the vacancy that was just announced, pretty much everyone would and I think most still are saying to expect 145 to NY as junior captain, but there were not any 145 captain seats for either NY or ORD this time around, so who knows.

pitchattitude 01-21-2020 05:09 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2961415)
It is 50 hours of IOE for all captains, including QU's.

Not all captains. Only new captains. If you were previously qualified as an Envoy captain (passed Fed ride), you only get 25 hours.

pitchattitude 01-21-2020 05:11 PM


Originally Posted by LowvalueFO (Post 2961413)
As a direct entry captain, you start right away with the captain's pay rate during training. The current sign-on bonus is 50K.
You will do CBT's, Groundschool then your ORAL which you have to pass before you go to the Simulator training.
Once you pass your type ride, you get signed off for IOE. I believe its currently 50 hours for direct entry captains, not sure what it is for the near entry guys as they start out as FO.

Verify with recruiting the pay rates as I am not sure if the near entry guys get paid FO or CA pay.

As previously said, be aware that you are looking at about 3 years plus of reserve time, make sure the sign-on bonus is worth it, they don't pay that out of kindness.

New York and Chicago will be your only option for a while, DFW and MIA will be out of reach for quite some time.

Hope this helps.

But is Envoy currently hiring “direct entry captains”? My understanding was that was done and even if you had the time you were hired as an FO that is immediately eligible for upgrade?


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