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rld1k 02-19-2020 08:20 PM
Originally Posted by ViperCrosswind (Post 2980098)
So what if you can't find your name on the new FLOW list but you've worked here for over two years?
Flow list? Do you mean flow plan?

dera 02-19-2020 09:23 PM
Originally Posted by ViperCrosswind (Post 2980098)
So what if you can't find your name on the new FLOW list but you've worked here for over two years?
I'd say you are lost.

THKooj 02-20-2020 03:49 AM
Originally Posted by But seriously (Post 2979425)
All of the math is an estimate at best, and more likely a WAG. There are two huge unknown factors:

1. Outside Attrition - it’s hardly useful to use the past as a predictive tool considering what everyone anticipates the Legacy hiring to be over the next few years

2. The Flow Agreements - There is not a single pilot who has flowed to AA under an agreement that was in place when they were hired (at least in the last 20 years). The flow agreement staying constant for 5 years is extremely unlikely.


Fortunately, you're wrong. This time, the flow is contractual. It's not going to stop.

itsmytime 02-20-2020 04:10 AM
Originally Posted by THKooj (Post 2980162)

Fortunately, you're wrong. This time, the flow is contractual. It's not going to stop.
the flow haters are really funny. They will make up any thing they can think of to discredit it.

FlyPurdue 02-20-2020 04:20 AM
Originally Posted by THKooj (Post 2980162)

Fortunately, you're wrong. This time, the flow is contractual. It's not going to stop.
What they meant was that all of the flow agreements thus far have changed (for the better). I don't know if this is completely true, but what's was meant is 'no one has flowed to AA under the exact same flow terms they were hired under.'

Cyio 02-20-2020 05:52 AM
Originally Posted by itsmytime (Post 2980168)
the flow haters are really funny. They will make up any thing they can think of to discredit it.
Who “hates” the flow? Pretty sure everyone is happy to have it but what rational person wouldn’t want to see it improved?

Is it perfect, no, is it better than nothing, yes.

THKooj 02-20-2020 05:57 AM
Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 2980225)
Who “hates” the flow? Pretty sure everyone is happy to have it but what rational person wouldn’t want to see it improved?

Is it perfect, no, is it better than nothing, yes.
People who can't get in or those who are now on the outside looking in.

THKooj 02-20-2020 05:57 AM
Originally Posted by itsmytime (Post 2980168)
the flow haters are really funny. They will make up any thing they can think of to discredit it.
Preaching to the choir brotha.

pitchattitude 02-20-2020 06:03 AM
Originally Posted by THKooj (Post 2980231)
People who can't get in or those who are now on the outside looking in.
No, we just hate that KoolAid shills like you and management inflate it beyond its actual and ever diminishing value because it is an excuse for poor QOL and pay.

TransWorld 02-20-2020 06:33 AM
Originally Posted by But seriously (Post 2979425)
2. The Flow Agreements - The flow agreement staying constant for 5 years is extremely unlikely.
Starting soon, the retirements are forecast to require hiring 1 out of 5 of the regional pilots each and every year, sustained. (Accounting for additional hires from military and other non-regional pilots.)

In light of this, will you think the flow agreement numbers will remain unchanged? Envoy flow numbers, with no change and no attrition, would result in new hires today flowing in 10 years. Yet hiring will result in 5 years average time to hire for the regionals as a whole.

Try squaring these two in your mind. Ether flows will become meaningless or flow numbers will change. (Baring a black swan event.)


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