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Cujo665 02-20-2020 12:16 PM


Originally Posted by But seriously (Post 2980443)
Also...
Some went over with some accrued seniority and longevity (I think the 247 was like that).
The 824 went with company longevity intact, although not pilot longevity (if memory serves).

Yes, everybody up to and including the 824 had AA seniority numbers while still at Eagle and carried over some time. We were all in the AA $uper$aver 401k back then too... not the Eaglevoy red headed stepchild 401k plan. ICE benefits went away post bankruptcy and then came back in the current limited fashion.

They need to restore the 50% flow. That’s what had pilots coming to Eaglevoy, not 17%

Better yet, let AA HR do the hiring at Eaglevoy and bump the flow up to 60%.

tommy2times 02-20-2020 01:00 PM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 2980450)
Yes, everybody up to and including the 824 had AA seniority numbers while still at Eagle and carried over some time. We were all in the AA $uper$aver 401k back then too... not the Eaglevoy red headed stepchild 401k plan. ICE benefits went away post bankruptcy and then came back in the current limited fashion.

They need to restore the 50% flow. That’s what had pilots coming to Eaglevoy, not 17%

Better yet, let AA HR do the hiring at Eaglevoy and bump the flow up to 60%.

Better yet give us AA seniority numbers NOW!

Cyio 02-20-2020 01:00 PM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 2980450)
Yes, everybody up to and including the 824 had AA seniority numbers while still at Eagle and carried over some time. We were all in the AA $uper$aver 401k back then too... not the Eaglevoy red headed stepchild 401k plan. ICE benefits went away post bankruptcy and then came back in the current limited fashion.

They need to restore the 50% flow. That’s what had pilots coming to Eaglevoy, not 17%

Better yet, let AA HR do the hiring at Eaglevoy and bump the flow up to 60%.

Agree about the flow part. Our union seems to want nothing to do with pushing the issue so looks like we are stuck at 17%.

BigZ 02-20-2020 01:34 PM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 2980475)
Agree about the flow part. Our union seems to want nothing to do with pushing the issue so looks like we are stuck at 17%.

And that is fantastic.
"Projections" that we saw when we were hired were not calculated by the union, neither should the union (and us) have to pay anything to make them happen. Can't make the 5.5 yr flow a reality? Ok, cool. See the pilots leave, come up with other ways of motivating them to stick around. Not a hard concept. Does require the other WO carriers to do the same though.

NoValueAviator 02-20-2020 01:41 PM

At 5 years, 6 months and 1 day if I'm still at Envoy I'm submitting a grievance.

Dunno if it'll do anything. Don't care. They promise it everywhere.

tommy2times 02-20-2020 01:47 PM

I will be attending the Frontier and Spirit meet the chiefs event in Florida, hope to see some of you there.

black cat 02-20-2020 01:56 PM


Originally Posted by tommy2times (Post 2980474)
Better yet give us AA seniority numbers NOW!

APA will never sign off on that

pitchattitude 02-20-2020 02:15 PM


Originally Posted by THKooj (Post 2980431)
Wrong again, the flow will improve as time goes on. You just don't see the facts yet.

Then SHOW facts that PROVE the flow will improve, not your KoolAid BS.

NOTHING you have said is provable as fact.

Cujo665 02-20-2020 06:01 PM


Originally Posted by tommy2times (Post 2980474)
Better yet give us AA seniority numbers NOW!

that requires APA agreement. That interest isn’t there currently.

NoValueAviator 02-20-2020 06:16 PM

I'm surprised there's no effort by mainline to recapture jets (and pilots) from the regional sweatshops.

Then again, AA is losing so much money so quickly and in such prosperous times that it might not be able to survive the increased labor costs lol.

I assume they would probably also rather just take the planes and put us out of a job.


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