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Cyio 03-20-2020 05:10 PM
Originally Posted by Pilot Dad (Post 3005645)
I understand but this is about having a job until we can get back to saying the typical “screw them” mentality shared on these Internet forums. I say “we” because I guess guilty by association. If you have some other company to go to don’t forget about the rest of us when you get there.


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I am all for helping the company out, I get it, they pay us. However, any deal would need to require firm, unflinching guarantees that cant be revoked to improve our current status once the airline gets back on their feet. No sense giving everything to them and sacrificing on our end only to end up at the exact spot we are at now. We should be rewarded for going above and beyond.

BIueSideUp 03-20-2020 05:13 PM
Originally Posted by Pilot Dad (Post 3005645)
I understand but this is about having a job until we can get back to saying the typical “screw them” mentality shared on these Internet forums. I say “we” because I guess guilty by association. If you have some other company to go to don’t forget about the rest of us when you get there.


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The thing here though is that even in a situation as bad as this Envoy has no interest in caring for its employees. All we get are regurgitated government guidance and an offer to take off work and pay up to keep insurance. Excuse me but are you ********** KIDDING ME? You could be missing two fingers and still count on one hand the people at the top that are responsible for continuing this "us vs them". Until they are gone, things will never change. It will always be this way. You could show them all the good faith in the world from this pilot group and they would still ******* in our hands and expect to be thanked.

highfarfast 03-20-2020 05:39 PM
What’s the difference with offering this unpaid leave of absence and simply offering 0 time lines, an option already in the contract?

dera 03-20-2020 05:41 PM
Originally Posted by highfarfast (Post 3005728)
What’s the difference with offering this unpaid leave of absence and simply offering 0 time lines, an option already in the contract?
Timing. Cant offer 0 time lines when the package is already published.

Chato 03-20-2020 05:55 PM
Originally Posted by highfarfast (Post 3005728)
What’s the difference with offering this unpaid leave of absence and simply offering 0 time lines, an option already in the contract?
if they run the bid for both CA and FOs with same lines I’m sure they have a greater need for captains more than FO’s, so that prob doesn't work for them. Not sure how it really works tho, maybe they do have a way to awarding less 0 time lines to CA’s than FO’s

havick206 03-20-2020 06:42 PM
Originally Posted by Pilot Dad (Post 3005645)
I understand but this is about having a job until we can get back to saying the typical “screw them” mentality shared on these Internet forums. I say “we” because I guess guilty by association. If you have some other company to go to don’t forget about the rest of us when you get there.


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Don’t forget you’re still under the contract that includes concessions from the previous AAG bankruptcy. Think about that before you give up the farm.

But seriously 03-20-2020 07:05 PM
Originally Posted by havick206 (Post 3005810)
Don’t forget you’re still under the contract that includes concessions from the previous AAG bankruptcy. Think about that before you give up the farm.
You mean concessions that Parker made us eat AFTER the concessions we took in bankruptcy (AMR not AAG).It was so important to them that we match the cost structure of Pinnacle (Endeavor), until they got a raise. Then, suddenly, it wasn’t that important anymore. There are quite a few managers at the top that need to take a haircut before they come asking us for money. If pilot costs at ENY are what tip AAG into bankruptcy, then there was no avoiding it to begin with.

GoFast8 03-20-2020 07:07 PM
Originally Posted by highfarfast (Post 3005728)
What’s the difference with offering this unpaid leave of absence and simply offering 0 time lines, an option already in the contract?
The leave of absence they are offering is already in the contract as well.

MqWhistleblower 03-21-2020 05:10 AM
Originally Posted by havick206 (Post 3005810)
Don’t forget you’re still under the contract that includes concessions from the previous AAG bankruptcy. Think about that before you give up the farm.
Agreed! They better not come asking for concessions. But again let’s not negotiate here

ninerdriver 03-21-2020 06:21 PM
Originally Posted by But seriously (Post 3005837)
If pilot costs at ENY are what tip AAG into bankruptcy, then there was no avoiding it to begin with.
There are other things that would tip AA into bankruptcy first.

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