View Poll Results: Are you taking the 12-month CSLOA?
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CSLOA (12 months)
04-11-2020, 11:04 AM
#21
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Joined APC: Mar 2017
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Originally Posted by dera
Much higher participation than expected.
Time to see if this was enough for them.
Time to see if this was enough for them.
Like I said, is what it is at this point.
04-11-2020, 11:06 AM
#22
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Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 3,656
Originally Posted by dera
Much higher participation than expected.
Time to see if this was enough for them.
Time to see if this was enough for them.
Keep hearing of 90% reductions to summer flying on a lot of routes so keeping 1000 pilots around still seems like a lot.
04-11-2020, 01:26 PM
#25
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Joined APC: Jan 2017
Posts: 545
Originally Posted by Cyio
I wonder what the number would need to be in order to have enough savings? I mean, I feel like it would need to be above 50% of the pilot group based off of how many flight cancelations/reductions they keep telling us about.
Keep hearing of 90% reductions to summer flying on a lot of routes so keeping 1000 pilots around still seems like a lot.
Keep hearing of 90% reductions to summer flying on a lot of routes so keeping 1000 pilots around still seems like a lot.
Enough savings for what? They aren’t going to keep pilots on because they can “afford to”. No matter what RW writes in his emails, furloughs and cost savings are independent of each other. If there is demand to fly airplanes, they’ll keep pilots on board. If there is no demand, they’ll furlough. Paycuts and/or temporary leaves won’t affect that. They won’t furlough someone in Oct if they think they’ll need them back in May. They also won’t stay intentionally overstaffed for 2 years just because we make it a little cheaper.
For now, I think they are just trying to survive the Summer. They’ll try and assess long term demand trends after all the “shelter in place” stuff is lifted.
04-11-2020, 02:20 PM
#26
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Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 3,656
Originally Posted by But seriously
Enough savings for what? They aren’t going to keep pilots on because they can “afford to”. No matter what RW writes in his emails, furloughs and cost savings are independent of each other. If there is demand to fly airplanes, they’ll keep pilots on board. If there is no demand, they’ll furlough. Paycuts and/or temporary leaves won’t affect that. They won’t furlough someone in Oct if they think they’ll need them back in May. They also won’t stay intentionally overstaffed for 2 years just because we make it a little cheaper.
For now, I think they are just trying to survive the Summer. They’ll try and assess long term demand trends after all the “shelter in place” stuff is lifted.
For now, I think they are just trying to survive the Summer. They’ll try and assess long term demand trends after all the “shelter in place” stuff is lifted.
04-11-2020, 03:20 PM
#27
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Joined APC: Jan 2017
Posts: 545
Originally Posted by Cyio
I'm sorry, but you kind of bounced all over the place with this statement and the way I read it, contradict yourself. We all get they are trying to survive the summer, there isnt any issue with that. What I was referring too was why pay 1500 pilots 72 hours a month when the staffing only requires 750 pilots. Would be better to pay the other 750 50 hours to sit at home. My question was I wonder what number becomes the break even point and if they have reached that with this 19 hour deal.
Yeah, I probably was unclear. I may have misunderstood you as well.
From the company point of view, it makes sense to get as many pilots on leave as possible.
From a pilot point of view, I don’t think we are helping avoid furloughs by taking leaves. If the leave works for you personally, I’m all for it, but I don’t believe that these short term leaves will have any effect when the decision comes on whether to furlough or not.
04-11-2020, 03:37 PM
#28
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Joined APC: Jun 2019
Posts: 1,272
Originally Posted by But seriously
Yeah, I probably was unclear. I may have misunderstood you as well.
From the company point of view, it makes sense to get as many pilots on leave as possible.
From a pilot point of view, I don’t think we are helping avoid furloughs by taking leaves. If the leave works for you personally, I’m all for it, but I don’t believe that these short term leaves will have any effect when the decision comes on whether to furlough or not.
From the company point of view, it makes sense to get as many pilots on leave as possible.
From a pilot point of view, I don’t think we are helping avoid furloughs by taking leaves. If the leave works for you personally, I’m all for it, but I don’t believe that these short term leaves will have any effect when the decision comes on whether to furlough or not.
04-11-2020, 04:52 PM
#29
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Joined APC: Oct 2017
Posts: 44
The company said it was targeted at military folks.
Most guard units are begging for full time workers. None of our part timers are allowed on base right now and all the governors are eyeing the guard (which is their right) as disaster relief if their state gets hit.
i hope enough of us took it to take care of those with limited options. We’re in this together, and I look forward to flying with you all again!
Most guard units are begging for full time workers. None of our part timers are allowed on base right now and all the governors are eyeing the guard (which is their right) as disaster relief if their state gets hit.
i hope enough of us took it to take care of those with limited options. We’re in this together, and I look forward to flying with you all again!
04-11-2020, 07:16 PM
#30
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Joined APC: Dec 2016
Posts: 1,054
Originally Posted by ViperCrosswind
The company said it was targeted at military folks.
Most guard units are begging for full time workers. None of our part timers are allowed on base right now and all the governors are eyeing the guard (which is their right) as disaster relief if their state gets hit.
i hope enough of us took it to take care of those with limited options. We’re in this together, and I look forward to flying with you all again!
Most guard units are begging for full time workers. None of our part timers are allowed on base right now and all the governors are eyeing the guard (which is their right) as disaster relief if their state gets hit.
i hope enough of us took it to take care of those with limited options. We’re in this together, and I look forward to flying with you all again!
Have fun, dude.
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