Cyio

Pretty sure that would be a huge announcement that the company/union would ensure we all knew about.

teamflyer

Expecting layoffs to be announced in two weeks after bid closure

ClappedOut145

I bet they come sooner than that. They might do them before the bid closes for all we know and try and convince people to bid in fear.

buddies8

Bid out of fear, sorry but the way I read these post my interpretation is that there are a lot of soiled pants out there.

NoValueAviator

Furlough will be a mercy for the 145 drivers. Average of ~11 day off lines with 5 uncommutable trips? Sounds a lot like zero nights at home.

Getting off that dumpster fire is the best thing that has happened to me at Envoy.

Compare with 19-20 day off lines for the prestigious heavy crews.

Cyio

Yeah what happened to the 145 NYC crews is nothing short of insulting, not sure how so many still manage to make it work. I guess the only way I could even imagine doing that would be to move there, but damn we know that's a risk with AAG having zero issue closing bases down on a whim.

While the heavy does have those lines, I mean ORD had like 8 total next month and only the lifers are going to be seeing that on the OCL side of things. Sure, some senior FO's may get them as well, but after this displacement bid happens, who knows lol.

The only thing we know for sure is that things will get a lot worse before they get better. Even with talks of a vaccine around the corner, we all know that can change in an instant and I dont know about you, but I sure as hell won't be lining up to be a test rat for a vaccine developed in less than a year. Couple that with business travel clearly not racing back to the airline world and we are looking at a detracted down turn.

Cyio

I get that, but if many people are like myself and not willing to take it right away, the same media you are blaming now will simply report that people are not taking it, thus canceling out and advantage. It sucks, I agree the media is the cause of most our societies issues, but it’s what we have.

THKooj

My friend, you need to embrace the positive. If you can't and are scared to death of this virus as indicated in many of your previous comments, I have a suggestion. Resign or attempt a hardship leave and shelter in place at home until this passes. If you can't grasp that the death rate worldwide is considerably under 1% and dropping due to the mutating of the virus and with it becoming less and less lethal each day, then by all means, stay at home. Envoy doesn't need you.

I've been overwhelmingly positive for nearly my entire time at Envoy/AA. It works wonders, especially when you are working for a company that is wildly successful and gives you THE career path of a lifetime.

APCbot

FIFY

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pitchattitude

Yeah, delusional is pretty accurate.

Doesn’t matter what science, the press, or anyone else THINKS is happening, the reality is international travel is not opening up and business flyers AREN’T flying, at least not commercially. The aviation industry is very cyclic and those cycles don’t just bounce back. Taking even an optimistic approach will include furloughs 1 October industry wide that at a minimum will take a year just to come back to par. A more middle of the road, which most are going with, is 3-5 years to be back to pre COVID levels.

And calling AA “wildly successful”??? By what metric?