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Oh boy. Here we go.

Only to 145 statuses though. Good luck getting 210 people to voluntarily furlough themselves in this market.

According to my math, if you take this LOA, you shouldn't have to come back to Envoy, because your flow date should already pass. (1 yr min + 5 loa = 6. 6 > 5.5 years to flow). They should just guarantee us a Sept 2025 Airbus class.

Silly season is on boss level. ;)

Thank you for the laugh! :D

I looked at the travel guide, but didn’t see the exact language, other than FDJ and KCM are travel privileges the same?

I did to. I assume it will be treated like those on personal leave. You would have D2 & D3 passes, lose your AA20 options, and OAL travel.

are you sure personal d2 will still be eligible. It says eligible travelers, and guest travelers. Sounds like D3 travel but no d2, correct me if I’m wrong?

PSA is telling people 12 months of D2R. No kcm, no jumpseat, no zed

PSA pilots would have done it for 3 weeks of D2R

:D

Glad you're still one of 'us'.

Which someone pointed out actually goes against the contract

They're trying to make the case it goes against the contract, which is a stretch.

So is it the 19 hrs per month for 5 years? Just for 145 guys. That’s really interesting.

It’s zero pay, and you are responsible for 100% of your healthcare but you can choose to opt out to save money.

Essentially a 5 year furlough... I wonder if they actually consider the viability of these things before that offer them.

A. They have to offer it per the CBA
B. People took it last time

free to offer it. 50 people take it that’s a win. Somebody with a pension or a $pouse might want it

I haven’t been able to find the details of this anywhere. I’ve seen the MEC news last on 20JUL and an announcement on myenvoyair but it only says to check your company email for details. Well I didn’t receive any company email. The last company email I got was to buy a new M&H uniform set for $299. Anyone have details for pilots on this?


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loa 14-07.

Check your ALPA email

Details were released yesterday

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Didn’t receive the email, checked spam and all. Nothing on the MEC website, but I did look up the contract 14-07, so thanks for that. Is it offered to all statuses? Or just one particular fleet? Thanks


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Only the 145 drivers at the moment.

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Gotcha, thanks


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It kind of sounds like you are combining two different programs.

A couple of weeks ago the company put out an Early Out offer. They said “check you emails for details”, but they only sent emails to people who were eligible (ballpark seniority 190 and up). This offer was outside of the CBA or any union involvement.

A day or two ago they also offered a 5 year Leave of Absence to offset the likely furloughs coming OCT 1. This is the one governed by the LOA.

How can any compensation be outside of the CBA?

If number 2 is younger than number 1 he can be offered a better deal because he has more years left?

None of the bonuses they (used to) pay new hires were in the CBA.

Since they are retiring as part of the deal (I assume), it wouldn’t be hard to sidestep the CBA.

Yea but they willfully ignored that to grow and flow.
Teamsters at Gojets litigated and settled and 9E put it in their CBA with their new rates.

Also it didn't get muddy because newhires don't pay dues. Are the upper 190 gonna sign a side deal with no dues/ with dues, or hold Envoy accountable via an Email agreement if need be?

Who wilfully ignored it?

Whoever told you it is legal. They just decided to not pick that battle.
Newhire bonuses have been added to other CBA's also since the Gojet settlement, maybe AWAC, or TSA I can't remember. The company knows there is exposure and just lives with it.

One of those double standards, wouldn't be able to cash the first check if they tried it at mainline.

Its textbook unauthorized "self help" by the company.

^^^ This.

Plenty of RTP guys would go back to helo’s on a lot more money and wait it out.

There are not that many rotor jobs out there, believe me, I have looked lol. I think that with now four regionals closed or closing and all the main line furloughs, any amount of open flying jobs are going to be, or already are, taken. I think this deal will only work well for those that already have a side gig they can live off of, or could live off of should they have the time to do it full time, people with another professional skill set or those that have a spouse who can carry they weight for a few years.

Either way, I am glad that the company is offering this, even though it is in the contract, as even one person taking it is one less furlough. I just wish they opened it up to other fleets and perhaps a shorter period of time as I would have really considered taking it.

You saw the part about the LOA that you can come back with a 30 day notice after 1 year, right?

that is exactly the target audience. Carve off the segment that can walk away at the drop of a hat at zero cost to the company.

You could have 2 kids in 5 years and put a lot of raising on them, then maybe even come back as an AA pilot depending on when you were hired here.

Can you imagine not flying for 5 years though?

What are you doing here? So many easier, higher paying jobs out there that'll have you home every night. I could understand flying for mainline when you don't enjoy it, but not a regional.

Really, not sure where you’re looking? I know metro is looking, there’s also plenty of fire jobs. Most rotary jobs aren’t advertised anyway.

I 2nd that.

imagine doing it for 12, flow, then get kicked in the grill when tossed on the st.... yay flow!!!!