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Cyio 08-22-2020 03:56 AM

Assuming all of that is accurate, way to go PSA.

pitchattitude 08-22-2020 06:30 AM


Originally Posted by captande (Post 3113850)
We’re not privy to exactly what was asked for. Rumor mill has said they asked for just about everything except hourly rate (Min guarantee, tiered pay, sap). The union tossed some temporary relief ideas, but they weren’t interested. So last week the negotiators walked out and told them let it ride. They’re sending just about the whole 730 furlough letters and downgrading upwards of 300 captains. Taking it on the chin, but we’ll get through. Hope for less turbulence for you all in the coming weeks.

Thanks for the info. Sorry to hear it’s going to cut so deep. This whole thing is going to be ugly for quite a while.

Swakid8 08-22-2020 07:07 AM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3113924)
Thanks for the info. Sorry to hear it’s going to cut so deep. This whole thing is going to be ugly for quite a while.

Yeah, they started with a displacement but with 530 pilots the. A week later rescinded the bid and increased it to 600 to put pressure on our MEC. Then a few weeks later rescinded the bid to increase the number of furloughs to continue to put pressure on our MEC.

This, plus the company not wanting to negotiate in good faith, plus ignoring the issues with crew scheduling, crew pay, and crew planning getting away with doing things that benefits them and not following the contract.

Our pilots said to hell with it, hard no to concessions. Quite frankly I was even against temporary relief as the I believe the company overplayed their hand with constant increasing with furlough numbers.

chrisreedrules 08-22-2020 07:51 AM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 3113880)
Assuming all of that is accurate, way to go PSA.

It is. “See you in 2023 or bankruptcy. Whichever comes first”... Assuming they don’t just wind us down completely anyway.

Cyio 08-22-2020 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by Swakid8 (Post 3113938)
Yeah, they started with a displacement but with 530 pilots the. A week later rescinded the bid and increased it to 600 to put pressure on our MEC. Then a few weeks later rescinded the bid to increase the number of furloughs to continue to put pressure on our MEC.

This, plus the company not wanting to negotiate in good faith, plus ignoring the issues with crew scheduling, crew pay, and crew planning getting away with doing things that benefits them and not following the contract.

Our pilots said to hell with it, hard no to concessions. Quite frankly I was even against temporary relief as the I believe the company overplayed their hand with constant increasing with furlough numbers.


Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 3113956)
It is. “See you in 2023 or bankruptcy. Whichever comes first”... Assuming they don’t just wind us down completely anyway.

Amazing work to all of you over there. Thanks for leading the way with all of it. Cant wait to see what is in store for us.

SeniorGummer 08-22-2020 11:57 AM

This is definitely NOT the PSA of 6 years ago. We had one of their reps on a flight to CHA a couple months back. As we walked to the hotel he tracked us down and we had a rather lengthy chat about what was going on over there. We came away with a good feeling about the changes is attitude of the representation over there.
Thanks guys for taking a stand.

Varsity 08-22-2020 12:28 PM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 3113965)
Amazing work to all of you over there. Thanks for leading the way with all of it. Cant wait to see what is in store for us.


I'm sure it's going to be great.

:rolleyes:

highfarfast 08-22-2020 01:11 PM


Originally Posted by Varsity (Post 3114102)
I'm sure it's going to be great.

:rolleyes:

I m sure our MEC will hold strong as long as the company doesn't offer a percentage increase in flow. If that happens, who knows... :(

Cyio 08-22-2020 02:16 PM


Originally Posted by highfarfast (Post 3114121)
I m sure our MEC will hold strong as long as the company doesn't offer a percentage increase in flow. If that happens, who knows... :(

Yeah no way would they take even that. The flow is useless right now and everyone knows it.

5.4.3.2.1 Here comes TheKooj telling us how great AA is and how only the most skilled and intelligent aviators are accepted into the cadet program. Blah Blah Blah, Lies, Lies, Lies.

highfarfast 08-22-2020 02:44 PM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 3114151)
Yeah no way would they take even that. The flow is useless right now and everyone knows it.

5.4.3.2.1 Here comes TheKooj telling us how great AA is and how only the most skilled and intelligent aviators are accepted into the cadet program. Blah Blah Blah, Lies, Lies, Lies.

Everything I heard last summer was they were holding out for the AIP as well. Then the company offered them 5 more flows per month for 10 months and then, well, you know.


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