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rld1k 08-22-2020 03:23 PM


Originally Posted by highfarfast (Post 3114164)
Everything I heard last summer was they were holding out for the AIP as well. Then the company offered them 5 more flows per month for 10 months and then, well, you know.

Good thing they didn't bring it to a vote that would have failed. What would we do without that flow

But seriously 08-22-2020 04:50 PM


Originally Posted by rld1k (Post 3114183)
Good thing they didn't bring it to a vote that would have failed. What would we do without that flow

Yeah, but everyone should be glad that they got those raises locked in and ended the bonuses, otherwise we’d all be making quite a bit less right now

ClappedOut145 08-22-2020 04:54 PM


Originally Posted by rld1k (Post 3114183)
Good thing they didn't bring it to a vote that would have failed. What would we do without that flow

Read your policy manual. A pilot vote wasn't required in any way, shape, or form last summer. But you'd know that if you read it. At least ORD held out and said no.

rld1k 08-22-2020 04:58 PM


Originally Posted by ClappedOut145 (Post 3114211)
Read your policy manual. A pilot vote wasn't required in any way, shape, or form last summer. But you'd know that if you read it. At least ORD held out and said no.

Never said it was required

Shiner 08-22-2020 09:19 PM


Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 3113956)
It is. “See you in 2023 or bankruptcy. Whichever comes first”... Assuming they don’t just wind us down completely anyway.


Kudos to PSA for standing strong.

The WO’s are all in a tough spot with this state of the industry since we don’t have contracts with our mainline partner. We could all be the next on the chopping block if needed for scope and/or cost relief.

I hope the days of the whipsaw are behind us, and we can all stand together to preserve what we fought for these past few years.


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ClappedOut145 08-23-2020 04:10 AM


Originally Posted by Shiner (Post 3114302)
Kudos to PSA for standing strong.

The WO’s are all in a tough spot with this state of the industry since we don’t have contracts with our mainline partner. We could all be the next on the chopping block if needed for scope and/or cost relief.

I hope the days of the whipsaw are behind us, and we can all stand together to preserve what we fought for these past few years.


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Agreed. We don't all have to be best friends, but we need to be united in upholding the profession and not allowing AAG to blame us for their woes.

buddies8 08-23-2020 04:24 AM

Its aag proven method of beating w/o's. Go after psa, then use psa agreement to beat envoy, then go to pdt and push them to the cliff.
if this is true regarding psa, then aag has lost or been delayed greatly from beating the shi+ out of the w/o's. We will just have to wait and see.

remember aag is not out of the woods, they ate still greatly in debt. They are the favorite choice of being first into bankruptcy
if bankruptcy is possible then concessions at this time is wrong because they will just come after the contract again in bankruptcy. AAG likes double and triple dipping.

Cyio 08-23-2020 05:47 AM


Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 3114338)
Its aag proven method of beating w/o's. Go after psa, then use psa agreement to beat envoy, then go to pdt and push them to the cliff.
if this is true regarding psa, then aag has lost or been delayed greatly from beating the shi+ out of the w/o's. We will just have to wait and see.

remember aag is not out of the woods, they ate still greatly in debt. They are the favorite choice of being first into bankruptcy
if bankruptcy is possible then concessions at this time is wrong because they will just come after the contract again in bankruptcy. AAG likes double and triple dipping.

Lets hope that new bill gets passed in Congress to stop them from using BK's to rewrite labor contracts. If you haven't done so, make sure you follow the ALPA steps to inform your representitives.

APCbot 08-23-2020 09:12 AM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 3114372)
Lets hope that new bill gets passed in Congress to stop them from using BK's to rewrite labor contracts. If you haven't done so, make sure you follow the ALPA steps to inform your representitives.

I hate to be a Debbie Downer, but will that even accomplish anything? Say airline X goes bankrupt, they can't gut the contract, so the just close down the company and magically reopen as airline Y. Everyone gets a ****ty new contract and first year pay. What's to stop them from doing that?

Cyio 08-23-2020 09:20 AM


Originally Posted by APCbot (Post 3114500)
I hate to be a Debbie Downer, but will that even accomplish anything? Say airline X goes bankrupt, they can't gut the contract, so the just close down the company and magically reopen as airline Y. Everyone gets a ****ty new contract and first year pay. What's to stop them from doing that?

Sure that’s a possibility, not sure how likely though. Still better than them using BK’s as a negotiation tactic. Heck some companies file BK’s just to force a cheaper contract. That’s what the bill aims to stop. A company is way less likely to shut down every eight years than file BK.


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