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10-13-2020 | 06:34 AM
#121
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I believe the number was the letter costs them over 500% what the furloughs cost savings was. Why not worry about your own airline, many have taken concessions during this unlike envoy.
10-13-2020 | 06:43 AM
#122
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10-13-2020 | 06:57 AM
#123
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The company doesn't care. The union gave them ample items to save money, they suggested allowing pilots on the 175 to take leave, all of which were rebuked. They wanted our OT letter, without any clause on returning it. And for some reason they're maintaining the cadet program.
OT does hurt them otherwise they wouldn't have been trying to take it this whole time.
OT does hurt them otherwise they wouldn't have been trying to take it this whole time.
10-13-2020 | 06:58 AM
#124
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10-13-2020 | 07:08 AM
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If we had a properly staffed airline we wouldn’t be JM and zeroing out RSV pilots all the time. In respect to OT, our pilots are just exercising their contract. We all have our own personal reasons to pick up OT, and it should be respected.
10-13-2020 | 08:53 AM
#128
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The entire employee cost is looked at, not simply the wage per hour. They look at everything from the on-boarding costs which includes the recruiting staff, the interview hotels, medical tests, transportation; then new hire on-boarding, ground school, hotels, transportation, simulator time, the instructors time, the administrative staff time; then paying the company share of all benefits, providing paid vacation time, and paid sick time.
It is much cheaper to pay an OT premium, even at 100% than to hire an extra employee that costs all the extra training, benefits and vacations. That holds true right up until the point that it becomes cheaper to pay all the misc costs to get the lower hourly rate. When that happens is something only they know.
You can't advocate NOT picking up OT, but you certainly shouldn't be encouraging it. The flip side is, if your pilots are already doing the right thing and the company has quietly threatened the union for a job action due to a large drop in OT pickup, then making that post would be a smart move.
This is for any airline, not just yours.
It is much cheaper to pay an OT premium, even at 100% than to hire an extra employee that costs all the extra training, benefits and vacations. That holds true right up until the point that it becomes cheaper to pay all the misc costs to get the lower hourly rate. When that happens is something only they know.
You can't advocate NOT picking up OT, but you certainly shouldn't be encouraging it. The flip side is, if your pilots are already doing the right thing and the company has quietly threatened the union for a job action due to a large drop in OT pickup, then making that post would be a smart move.
This is for any airline, not just yours.
10-13-2020 | 09:04 AM
#129
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You ain’t that silent, huh!?
If we had a properly staffed airline we wouldn’t be JM and zeroing out RSV pilots all the time. In respect to OT, our pilots are just exercising their contract. We all have our own personal reasons to pick up OT, and it should be respected.
If we had a properly staffed airline we wouldn’t be JM and zeroing out RSV pilots all the time. In respect to OT, our pilots are just exercising their contract. We all have our own personal reasons to pick up OT, and it should be respected.
It is going to take a while to get people trained and moved and when they do there will still be more people than the company wants on the payroll unless things miraculously recover.
10-13-2020 | 10:38 AM
#130
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Wasn't it flight cancellations that got you raises? OT is often much cheaper than carrying more full time staff, all with benefits, all requiring training. Up to a certain point OT is a much preferred thing from a financial standpoint.
On the other hand, flight cancellations are not good.... and when it's for a lack of crew they need to hire more. (or recall sooner).
You really should explain your rational for that statement to your pilots. Coming from somebody inside a union, it's very odd indeed.
(I'm assuming based upon your prior posts that you do hold some union position)
On the other hand, flight cancellations are not good.... and when it's for a lack of crew they need to hire more. (or recall sooner).
You really should explain your rational for that statement to your pilots. Coming from somebody inside a union, it's very odd indeed.
(I'm assuming based upon your prior posts that you do hold some union position)
if staffing is low and flights will cancel if OT isn’t picked up, then it makes sense not to pick up OT to incentivize recalls. If there’s no chance of cancelation due to staffing then picking up OT benefits the pilot, hurts the company and has zero effect on furloughed pilots.
only a Sith deals in absolutes and this situation has nuance.
