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Old 10-01-2020, 01:04 PM
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Looks like the company is still the same company it was 10 years ago. Many of us have said it, but it serves repeating, this managment will never do anything to favor their pilot group and will actively search for ways to hurt it.

It takes a special kind of sickness to use an unprecedented event like this to try and squeeze even more out of those suffering through it already. The fact that the company sought 500% savings in order to get the furloughs to end is horrific and was done simply as a power/money grab at the expense of 260 pilots careers.

Rant over I suppose but if you ever feel like “helping out” or “do them a favor” remember this email that was sent out and out that thought to bed.
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Old 10-01-2020, 02:28 PM
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Yeah I tried explaining this to an FO yesterday who was upset with the union for not doing more. The company doesn't want to talk, they want what they want.
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Old 10-01-2020, 02:30 PM
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I just checked my contacts and I'm all updated. I didn't receive Tom's email. Was it sent to all members or just to a limited group?
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Old 10-01-2020, 02:53 PM
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I just checked my contacts and I'm all updated. I didn't receive Tom's email. Was it sent to all members or just to a limited group?
Pretty sure it went out to all active union members.
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Old 10-01-2020, 04:13 PM
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Rant over I suppose but if you ever feel like “helping out” or “do them a favor” remember this email that was sent out and out that thought to bed.
Business as usual for Fibergas and Tricky Dic
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Old 10-01-2020, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Cyio View Post
Pretty sure it went out to all active union members.
That would be me. Weird.
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Old 10-01-2020, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Cyio View Post
Looks like the company is still the same company it was 10 years ago. Many of us have said it, but it serves repeating, this managment will never do anything to favor their pilot group and will actively search for ways to hurt it.

It takes a special kind of sickness to use an unprecedented event like this to try and squeeze even more out of those suffering through it already. The fact that the company sought 500% savings in order to get the furloughs to end is horrific and was done simply as a power/money grab at the expense of 260 pilots careers.

Rant over I suppose but if you ever feel like “helping out” or “do them a favor” remember this email that was sent out and out that thought to bed.
It sucks that the union guys actually honor the NDAs they have signed, when certain management people go around shouting half truths in crew rooms. I am glad Tom sent that email. My sources tell me the union guys have spent hours, days and weeks in the past 7 months trying to work something out to keep the 227 on board. Too bad the other party did not feel that was important to them.

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Old 10-01-2020, 05:08 PM
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Yes this is bad, but what's worse is that envoy is still giving flight and medical benefits to cadets plus a monthly payment, while they furlough active employees. That's what you have to remember, you have no value, you are a liability not an asset. Actions speak louder than words, remember next time mgt tells you they care about you.
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Old 10-01-2020, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by buddies8 View Post
Yes this is bad, but what's worse is that envoy is still giving flight and medical benefits to cadets plus a monthly payment, while they furlough active employees. That's what you have to remember, you have no value, you are a liability not an asset. Actions speak louder than words, remember next time mgt tells you they care about you.
I have always said that a company that takes care of and respects their workers won’t have a problem getting and keep them.

Envoy brings out the best in people like THKoolAid who is constantly fluffing the cadets. Take care of your current people and the rest will take care of itself.

The Sewell family of auto dealers in the DFW area are known for their management style and even wrote a book about it. Envoy could take some pages from their work.

All the cadets that were furloughed need to reach back to their friends and let them know what kind of company they are jumping into bed with. It may look like a SNJ on the outside, but it still full of $h!t on the inside.

And for those that don’t know the SPECIFIC meaning of “fluffing”, I am VERY specifically using it for THKoolAid.
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Old 10-01-2020, 06:39 PM
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The company’s outlook is probably political, at least in part. How is Parker supposed to beg for handouts from the government to avoid furloughs if we avoid furloughs without it?

Pouring one out for our guys tonight.
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