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Old 10-10-2020 | 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by 3GreenKSNA
What I am getting at here is the day to day costs of the operation far out weigh what money would be saved by by not picking up OT. There are so many pieces to this vastly complex puzzle.

Not picking up OT is not going to bring pilots back, its just going to force junior pilots to be forced into a junior man on their day off. They will still be paid a premium for the junior man but their QOL will take a big hit.

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I counted about 35 in one status or another going from 175 to 145, how much is that training going to cost? The company wouldn’t allow any 175 pilots to take the Long Term Leave of Absence.

The company is wasting money on this and the cadet program. It is not understaffed, just ineptly staffed. As other said, NOT picking up OT will only hurt QOL of those losing the pay. Let the company pay the premium instead of having reserve pilots already being paid fly it.
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Old 10-10-2020 | 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by rld1k
Not possible here with our contract
It's in our contract too- a certain percent of flying will be in open time.
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Old 10-10-2020 | 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by APCHCLIMB
It's in our contract too- a certain percent of flying will be in open time.
I think he’s saying they can’t withhold OT, per LOA 13-13. At least that’s the way I took it in reply to a post about Peidmont withholding OT.
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Old 10-10-2020 | 02:46 PM
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That's correct mgt cannot hide ot
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Old 10-10-2020 | 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by rld1k
If there's $10,000 of open time and no one picks it up, reserves on our overstaffed lists will fly it and the company spends $0 extra. Can someone do the math and explain how that brings furloughs back?

It would be different if we were understaffed. We aren't.
Overstaffed lists?

Look up the FO lists. They have been 0d with junior mans for the past few days now. November will be even worse.
CA on CA flying in ORD a few weeks ago.

OT flying costs them more than bringing pilots back.
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Old 10-10-2020 | 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by dera
Overstaffed lists?

Look up the FO lists. They have been 0d with junior mans for the past few days now. November will be even worse.
CA on CA flying in ORD a few weeks ago.

OT flying costs them more than bringing pilots back.
I know you have much more visibility on this stuff than most of us, but won’t their staffing issues work out once they get everyone in position after the displacements? Between moving LGA pilots out and working through the downgrades, I’d think they have a large number of FOs in the pipeline for both DFW and ORD.

Side note: I tried to come up with a good “CA on CA” joke, but nothing seemed worthy of publication.
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Old 10-10-2020 | 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by dera
Overstaffed lists?

Look up the FO lists. They have been 0d with junior mans for the past few days now. November will be even worse.
CA on CA flying in ORD a few weeks ago.

OT flying costs them more than bringing pilots back.
There are 90 captains available on rsv in Chicago some days. There is no staffing problem.
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Old 10-10-2020 | 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by rld1k
There are 90 captains available on rsv in Chicago some days. There is no staffing problem.
How does an ORD CA help when they need an FO in DFW within 2 hours? They were flying CA on CA few weeks ago when they had 0 FOs and 21 CAs.
Its not a staffing problem, its a staff allocation problem. And as of now, they have wrong amount of people in wrong places. TDY is expensive, pilots picking up OT is even more expensive. Recalling furloughed pilots is the cheapest way to fix it. Company just does not understand what their employees cost them.
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Old 10-10-2020 | 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by But seriously
I know you have much more visibility on this stuff than most of us, but won’t their staffing issues work out once they get everyone in position after the displacements? Between moving LGA pilots out and working through the downgrades, I’d think they have a large number of FOs in the pipeline for both DFW and ORD.

Side note: I tried to come up with a good “CA on CA” joke, but nothing seemed worthy of publication.
Very likely. We will be a smaller airline. Not picking up OT does not help anyone on furlough. Their pipeline of FOs are now the CAs getting downgraded. They chose not to be able to respond to market demand when flying picks back up, by refusing the union LOA as described in Tom's email.
So we will shrink. Republic will be the winner in this game, they have the staffing to pick up flying when things start to get back to normal.
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Old 10-10-2020 | 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by dera
. Recalling furloughed pilots is the cheapest way to fix it. Company just does not understand what their employees cost them.
they do they just want more stimulus money and they cant get without throwing their own pilots under the bus to show for it. Remember they will cut off the nose to spite the face all day erry day
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