Considering that our mgt has been targeting OT premium for “cost savings” since April (including their latest gem of “give up all OT and we’ll consider not furloughing a couple guys”), maybe you can appreciate status quo pickups. That’s solidarity. Also, as another guy points out, aggressively adding to savings while the economy implodes is smart for any pilot.

You go worry about JO at Mesa, and we’ll worry about our shop.

 

Fair. Referring more to the company’s stance of refusing to take furlough mitigation seriously. But you’re right without things changing soon (bailout or increased flying, both seem unlikely after POTUS’ tweet) our 227 are unfortunately going to have company before too long.

 

That's not true. Might be at Mesa with your OT rules, but not at Envoy.

Envoy has by far the best OT rules of any regional, perhaps any airline. Every single thing you pick up is added on top of your guarantee at premium. Crew scheduling can not hide trips or withhold them for reserves, and we can take flying from reserve assignments and get paid premium for them.
This has a reverse effect on how you think OT effects staffing. We are effectively flying at 150%, whereas if the company was adequately staffed, they would not be paying the premium to fly these trips.
So, the more our pilots pick up, the more it incentivizes the company to bring back pilots so there would not be so much open time left.
OT pickups cost the company more than bringing back the furloughed pilots.

A blanket "never pick up OT when pilots have been furloughed" might not always apply.

 

1) The effort of trying to take away letter 13 that provides the OT rules now has forever been a subject of debate.

2) this post appears to be another effort trying to make the pilot group pit against each other trying to compromise the very root of ENY.

3) ENY Pilots are least paid compared to their other wholly owned counterparts

4) Furloughs and Letter 13 have no relation to each other, you can not avois furloughs by taking 13 away, you might make a difference of 30 pilots in total with degrading the QOL of the remaining 2200.

5) Furloughs can be mitigated by making sure the top guy on the 777 with his 3 wives and 2 boats and 6houses taking a paycut not the bottom guy at ENY trying to feed his 2 kids a now jobless spouse and paying daycare/mortgage/education loans.

please tell your friend the ENY pilot group stands united.
we never came for other peoples jobs when we got the short end of the stick and were understaffed which is how letter 13 came into existence and we are not coming after anyone now so please stop coming after us if that really is the case.
All we want is trying to preserve is what we have.

 

^^^^ This guy gets it. At least someone is making the OT pay rather than it falling to someone who would have flown it on reserve anyway.

It’s not like Envoy furloughed to the point where they are running out of reserve pilots for trips/turns.

 

All valid points!

For those at envoy calling for not picking up OT, educate yourselves on the contract, and the history there during uncertain times of the past (ie. 9/11, and multiple trips down bankruptcy lane). You’re making yourselves look awfully foolish without knowing all the facts and taking them into consideration.
As for the PDT guy on here claiming that they “mitigated” furloughs at their shop, GMAFB.
Your shop was understaffed and is now adequately staffed. From what I’ve seen, appears y’all got played. I said “appears”. Just my opinion from the facts I’ve been able to harvest.
For the Mesa moron chiming in....
Well he’s at Mesa

 

most got bonus, retention and 40% pay raise while the rest go nothing equivalent. I do remember.

also the previous owner AMR took apa to court and won I believe 25 million in damages the union was on the hook for, for sick out. Just a little history for the novices.

 

All this quibbling for scraps won’t matter in 3-6 months when AAG sells off all the regional assets and files chapter 7. Then you can all stab each other in the backs for your old block / OT hours again at a newly formed regional conglomerate. See y’all back in community college at the delta house.

 

It's funny you're worried about an airline that has taken 0 concessions since covid started picking up OT while your own airline is on their second round of concessions and is discussing doing ramp duties to help management.

 

Wait, you actually think they are being serious when saying that? LMFAO. I get that sarcasm doesn't come across well on the internet, but for your own sake rub them brain cells together from time to time.