Defeating the stigma
 

Just a shout of to the entire envoy crew as I nonrev today. Just like always in my experience during my short 2 years at YV, 100% professional and personable and went out of their way to move me to 1st class when I was just happy to be on the airplane. The forums are not the real world so just a reminder to get out there and don’t assume a stigma. Also if you are ever nonreving make sure the CA AND FO know you’re up there. We’ll get you on unless the it’s the oxygen problem and we can’t get it. The culture of being petty and not collegial is and can change as bitter ppl, well, go be bitter somewhere else. I will be emailing the proper envoy/aa ppl about my experience. Thanks ladies and gents on my flight and everyone else out there operating the same way everyday. Cheers

who might yv be?

I’m more curious as to what is the stigma that is being defied?

Mesa. Not sure what stigma he's talking about, although you might argue that mesa has one.

huh? I am glad you had a wonderful experience but whatever stigma you are referring to is lost on me. I have never seen an Envoy crew doing anything other than everything they could to help out fellow pilots, at times to their own detriment with the company. Sure there are a few of us on here that like to banter back and forth, but that for me begins and ends here.

Care to describe the stigma we have?

This is ridiculous, THE STIGMA that we can’t all be professional and friendly with each other?!? That as pilots some of us can act like little *****ez? The stigma that this forum has to be a giant ****xxg match. Never for one second meant to imply a stigma about envoy. Just wow. I’d be glad to change the thread title to “thanks” or “collegiality” or something but apparently that’s not a feature here.
kind of in shock at the responses. Certainly not my intentions to cause a shizstorm on here.

I never meant to imply you guys had a stigma when I posted a thread in your forum titled “defeating the stigma.” I can’t imagine how that was misinterpreted. Anyways, I don’t care what anybody else says, you guys are alright.

Good Lord.
MODS PLEASE DELETE THIS THREAD

For what it’s worth, I didn’t mean for my post to come off as defensive or that I felt offended. I was just trying to understand what was meant by that. Anyway, thanks for answering and glad you had a good experience.

unstable. Go around.

I've heard that Envoy guys are considered arrogant from a Skywest pilot. Only Envoy stigma I'm currently aware of, and he might've just been trying to tell me I'm arrogant.

well, it must be accurate, Skywest pilots are authorities on the matter. Should have thanked them for the compliment!

I kid I kid! We all have our special ones, no matter who signs our paychecks.

Thanks to the guy who started the thread to say thanks, not enough of that in my opinion. Sure they meant well!

Also, completely unnecessary to let the CA and/or FO know you are non-revving on the flight. If you are jumpseating, then obviously you need to check in. Non-rev? I don’t care, please don’t check in with me up front.

I mean, I can see you are frustrated, but it was really a symptom of the way you made this thread.

Title, "Defeating the Stigma".
Thread, "Non-reved on an Envoy flight today". "Went out of their way to be professional", "Dont believe the forums". All of these things lead us to believe that there is stigma about us in regards to not being professional with jumpseaters. I understand what you are saying now, sort of, but it really was presented in a way that brought questions and responses that you received. I also wouldn't call any of this a ***tstorm, this is just us trying to make sure we don't have some reputation with jumpseating, as that would be something we need to address as a pilot group.

As I mentioned, I am glad you had a great experience, they all should be that way with us.

I think he was saying, let them know BEFORE boarding (if possible). It’s not a bad idea. I usually try to keep an eye out and have a quick talk to the agent so we can avoid someone getting left off for a weight restriction. Obviously not every problem can be avoided, but it’s a lot easier to work some magic 40 mins prior to departure than 10 mins when everyone is trying to close.

I agree though, that if you are just non-reving, then no need to check in with the cockpit. Glad you’re on, but as a D2, unless you have some good rumors or a joke to share... go take a seat.

Yeah I am confident he meant prior to boarding, if you see the CA/FO, let them know you are listed on the JS. I know when that has happened to me, I have made sure to take extra care to see that they received a seat, simply because they were in my thoughts. I always "try" to check for JS's, but sometimes even the best intentions get put aside.

Like I said, wish I could change the title of the thread, no luck from mods. The stigma was simply that sometimes pilots are petty whatever shop they’re with. I think that stigma is out there lol. Yes I was referring to JS, no biggie guys. Seriously just giving props. I apologize if I worded it in any other way. Not frustrated or unstable just a positive moment to share in a turmoil time in the industry.

I guess I’ve been doing it wrong this whole time...I always poke my head in just to introduce myself and say thank you for taking me home....unless there is clearly a brief or a checklist being run then I walk on through. I just think it’s polite and a professional courtesy to show that respect for anyone at ANY airline. Just my 2 cents.

Yes, you have been doing it wrong :). Imagine if every employee non-revving did that? Just because we are pilots non-revving, it doesn’t make us special (much to many pilots dismay).

I just think it’s courteous (pilot to pilot). Yes...every nonrev employee seems excessive.

Yes, you have been doing it wrong :). Imagine if every employee non-revving did that? Just because we are pilots non-revving, it doesn’t make us special (much to many pilots dismay).

Oh come on you snow flakes. We all know what he is talking about. It’s not a mystery that many people here at Envoy and across the regionals regarded MESA is a sub par regional.

Regardless of what we think of your airline, I am confident most of our pilots work just as hard at getting you home and to work. I know constantly work with the load room and dispatch to get commuters on. We are all in this together.

For whatever it’s worth, I love my Mesa bros. Except that one captain that denied me a jumpseat for no reason, but I’ll always have professional courtesy for union pilots by default and regardless of any misunderstandings, 99% of my Envoy colleagues feel the same way.

If you’re checking in as a nonrev,you might as well tell them what aircraft you’re typed in too...”put me in coach,I’m ready to go!”


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“I’ll be in the exit row if you need me”

The funny thing is, once you move on to a major/legacy, no one gives a sh!t what regional you flew for. ‘Get your time and get out’ can’t be stressed enough.

Someone needs to be there to verify the crew started both engines prior to takeoff.


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Best advice in the entire thread.

Envoy has the stigma of being cocky, for absolutely no reason. They also have a stigma of sliding airplanes off of runways in the Bahamas.

Being a "top tier" regional is like a top tier porta-john. Either way, you are pooping in a bucket, it smells terrible, and you can't wait to get out of it.

OK. Maybe you should go and start a thread about that. OP already explained what he meant and it wasn't that.

Agree with one exception. IF you are on a jump seat listing, but get a seat in the back, I want to know. First - to know there was a jump seater I may have been unaware of, and second to know that the gate is doing their job to get you on. Why? I fly mostly the same city pairs. We all do. So If I know there are commuters to these cities, I will be aware. I always check if we are booked close to full to see if there are any jump seat listings. I want to get you on.

I only expect to hear from you if you are on a JS listing. Normal non rev - don't care. Deadhead - don't care. Paying Pax - don't care. Just the JS listings should be checking in. Why? Here's why. The JS is at my discretion. No other seat is. Unless you are causing a disturbance, but you get my drift. I can only decide yay or nay on the jump seat. So if you are listed as a jump seater, I want you to check in. Even if you have a seat in the back. Normal non rev - please don't check in.

Defeating the stigma
 

While we are on the subject...bringing candy/gifts for the crew? I feel like this is a FA/gate agent phenomenon. Commuters would go broke doing this on the regular

(Pre Rona of course)


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Dude - name an airline, major or regional which has been operational for any length of time that hasn't had a runway excursion.

Thought so.

I’m in favor of it once in a while, especially if it’s something local or unique (Cherries in TVC, Buckeyes in CMH, etc.) It certainly doesn’t need to be every flight.

When I non-rev with my kids (pre-Rona), I’d always bring a bag of candy for the FA’s. It helps smooth over the inevitable disaster that is about to ensue...

Some crews seem to love it. Counterintuitively, from what I've seen the smaller the better - i.e. bring like 1 donut per FA instead of a box of 12 donuts. Personally, I just ask my crew what they want from the coffee place if I'm going anyway, and don't ask them to pay. Normally don't bother crews with anything when non-reving. DHing or jumpseating if I can avoid it in good taste and IAW custom, company manuals etc..

I always bring something for the gate agent when I'm listing at the gate for an OAL jumpseat, seems to help enormously and they're very appreciative. I've won over a JB gate agent at Kennedy so thoroughly with a fancy chocolate that he came out and found me in the boarding area a couple times to let me know what was really going on w/ their delay. Very nice guy, may have done it anyway.

Just a reminder that it's never too late to apologize for dbag posting.

Wait, WHO do you fly for? Same city pairs? Unless you are very senior and choose to do the same day trips, this doesn’t apply to to many people.

I guess he can confidently answer aunt Karen when she asks you “what’s your route?”

YV. Out of DFW there’s about 20 Dfw different destinations. I have a pretty good memory about who rides my jump seat.

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