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Originally Posted by But seriously
(Post 3198191)
That said, the idea that phones affect flight instruments is nonsense. It may have been true (I think it was) with much older phones, and much older avionics. Flight crews, FA’s, PAX, all leave their phones on transmit mode on a regular basis, and there are not 145’s falling out of the sky left and right.
The old analog phones, if used in the rear of the cabin, would set off the cargo fire detector. Common on the ground, but if it happened in flight, blow the bottles and divert... $$$ The digital phones, depending on seat, would cause digital data noise on the COM radios, and could make the LOC bounce around in green needles. Usually just a nuisance, but it could be awkward at the wrong place and time. What they should do is just leave the wifi on at all times, to keep pax from switching to 4G inside the marker. The wiki, if installed, has been shown not to interfere with anything. |
Originally Posted by Excargodog
(Post 3198194)
Although we STILL don’t have an NTSB report out on the Presque Isle 145 that missed the runway - to the left IIRC.
https://i.ibb.co/dM2fVXK/3-BB96584-B...CD034-B8-D.jpg to clarify, are you going on record as saying that cell phones may have been the cause of this crash? |
Originally Posted by CLE to IAH
(Post 3198201)
to clarify, are you going on record as saying that cell phones may have been the cause of this crash?
I’m not asserting that they were at all, but from the radar track they made two IFR approaches that both seem equally laterally displaced from the localizer. Can you identify what DID cause the displacement? Because it - you know - would be nice to know. But no, cell phones certainly didn’t force them to land without positively identifying the runway, that seems pretty improbable. But something must have caused the misalignment. |
Originally Posted by pangolin
(Post 3198166)
I am pretty sure I didn’t say that. But you might crash a 145.
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
(Post 3198228)
To clarify, are you going on record as saying they weren’t responsible for the misalignment?
I’m not asserting that they were at all, but from the radar track they made two IFR approaches that both seem equally laterally displaced from the localizer. Can you identify what DID cause the displacement? Because it - you know - would be nice to know. But no, cell phones certainly didn’t force them to land without positively identifying the runway, that seems pretty improbable. But something must have caused the misalignment. bookmark this post when the report comes out and if I’m wrong, I’ll Venmo you the cost of a beer. |
Originally Posted by pangolin
(Post 3198079)
You clearly didn’t read the post. I did not say that nor mean to imply that. I do not make it a habit to consistently break the rules and that’s kind of the point. I hate black and white thinking.
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Originally Posted by CLE to IAH
(Post 3198261)
yes. I am going on record as saying that cell phones were not the reason for that misalignment.
bookmark this post when the report comes out and if I’m wrong, I’ll Venmo you the cost of a beer. |
Originally Posted by Excargodog
(Post 3198272)
Well than the difference between you and me is that I am willing to consider EVERY possibility in investigating a mishap and you are willing to reject one without even examining it.
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Originally Posted by dera
(Post 3198309)
A phone operating in the gigahertz range creating a stable offset to a modulated signal operating around 110 megahertz is as likely as winning the lottery 90 or 150 times per second.
But interference can occur not just at the resonant freq at the antenna, but anywhere in the system in any module which has circuits, electronic components, or even metal parts which happen to be sized right, even wires... lots of chips, wires and components in those systems, you only have to hit one of them to goon it all up. |
Originally Posted by Excargodog
(Post 3198272)
Well than the difference between you and me is that I am willing to consider EVERY possibility in investigating a mishap and you are willing to reject one without even examining it.
george bush? are you willing to investigate EVERY possibility or are you willing to reject “some” possibilities? |
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