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-   -   Flow Negotiations (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/envoy-airlines/132941-flow-negotiations.html)

dera 07-15-2021 08:15 PM
Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3264117)
I’m sure for the literally less than a handful of people this affects, it means something. But that something wouldn’t even affect those few by more than a few weeks. Yes, I know. If it’s you, even two weeks is two weeks.

My point was this doesn’t affect the overwhelming majority of the pilots and it certainly doesn’t change any numbers as some of the posts were alluding to or wondering about.
It affects like 6 people. It has no meaningful effect on anything related to flow for the pilot group. One time thing.

buddies8 07-16-2021 10:29 AM
Unless you're one of the 6.
you ain't getting increase in numbers for flow.
It is what it is.

Cujo665 07-17-2021 07:06 AM
Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 3264370)
Unless you're one of the 6.
you ain't getting increase in numbers for flow.
It is what it is.
They'll increase it as a means to attract pilots rather than provide meaningful wage and working condition improvements. I sat at the table with Kirby, Isom, Hashimoto and Pedro... they will use the flow as a recruiting tool. It costs them nothing. You could see the wheels spinning in their heads when we talked about extra flow language after the L10-11 crowd. They knew exactly what they had and how it would benefit them in the future.
Don't give them anything for what you'll get anyway as the shortage worsens.

Approach1260 07-17-2021 09:48 AM
Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 3264790)
They'll increase it as a means to attract pilots rather than provide meaningful wage and working condition improvements. I sat at the table with Kirby, Isom, Hashimoto and Pedro... they will use the flow as a recruiting tool. It costs them nothing. You could see the wheels spinning in their heads when we talked about extra flow language after the L10-11 crowd. They knew exactly what they had and how it would benefit them in the future.
Don't give them anything for what you'll get anyway as the shortage worsens.
Why increase it when they already grossly underestimate time to flow on recruiting material? 5-7 years to flow sounds appealing, and by the time they realize it probably will be longer they're already invested.

ColdAndDark 07-17-2021 10:37 AM
Does anyone know how many people flowed in AAs most recent class this past week? I couldn’t find the number.

pitchattitude 07-17-2021 11:01 AM
Originally Posted by ColdAndDark (Post 3264906)
Does anyone know how many people flowed in AAs most recent class this past week? I couldn’t find the number.
AA had a new hire class, or was it a recall of those previously in class?

ArmyRWP2018 07-17-2021 11:15 AM
Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3264916)
AA had a new hire class, or was it a recall of those previously in class?
Pretty sure this was the flow class from March 2020 that finally started training at American. They “left” the regional but never started training. Those named are grayed out out on our seniority list until they graduate training at mainline. Then they disappear.

ebuhoner 08-13-2021 01:14 AM
How many envoy flows are going to be on the Sep 22nd class at AA?

buddies8 08-13-2021 07:09 AM
All the furloughs who were scheduled last year


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