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pitchattitude 07-09-2021 08:29 AM


Originally Posted by coodrough568 (Post 3261124)
Yea, our FAs are credit card sales-women who happen to be on an airplane. I can’t stand the blaring credit card PAs at 6:30am

When you’re basically making minimum wage, you do what you have to. It is pretty shameful.

Propeller 07-09-2021 10:52 AM


Originally Posted by coodrough568 (Post 3261124)
Yea, our FAs are credit card sales-women who happen to be on an airplane. I can’t stand the blaring credit card PAs at 6:30am

Cant miss the limited time offer though!

dera 07-09-2021 11:57 AM


Originally Posted by Propeller (Post 3261216)
Cant miss the limited time offer though!

Only been going on for 4 years now! Get it quick!

buddies8 07-09-2021 02:05 PM

Yeah, that 60000 miles and to days 500 every f'n leg. They get commissions while pilots get nothing.
and they want me to avoid big white puffy clouds

pitchattitude 07-09-2021 02:15 PM


Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 3261314)
Yeah, that 60000 miles and to days 500 every f'n leg. They get commissions while pilots get nothing.
and they want me to avoid big white puffy clouds

If you want some of the action, maybe you should start including the sales pitch in your PA and stand in the back while passengers deplane and hand out CC applications.

Throwitaway 07-09-2021 07:45 PM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3261322)
If you want some of the action, maybe you should start including the sales pitch in your PA and stand in the back while passengers deplane and hand out CC applications.

"If you sign up with me ladies and gentlemen, I'll sign your boarding pass on the way out!"

Cujo665 07-10-2021 10:21 AM


Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 3260543)
There are those who have tried to encourage the 3 MECs to work together for a long time. And the 3 MECs all have their own interests, vulnerabilities, and pilots to look out for. Truthfully I think the 3 pilot groups should push for integration. Collectively, it would give them much more security and bargaining power to be a bigger entity.

welcome to the 90’s, V2.0

pitchattitude 07-15-2021 02:22 PM


Originally Posted by AeroEnvoy (Post 3259999)
Is my understanding correct that the company plans on flowing 20 a month indefinitely, even with the next flow group?


Originally Posted by AeroEnvoy (Post 3260013)
I’m referencing what was talked about in the last union conference call.

Just read the latest Flow MOU that was discussed in the recent closed meeting and talked about on the last call in. It basically is a pointless document. It only applies to the individuals already selected to flow (44 pilots) and just says that they will flow as previously agreed. The only thing that MIGHT make any changes is anyone in that group that for some reason bid over to the 175 in the past year and incurred a one year training freeze.

Doesn’t say anything about percentages, numbers per month, any modifications to the flow agreement or even any future discussion on the flow agreement or anything like that.

dera 07-15-2021 03:02 PM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3264071)
Just read the latest Flow MOU that was discussed in the recent closed meeting and talked about on the last call in. It basically is a pointless document. It only applies to the individuals already selected to flow (44 pilots) and just says that they will flow as previously agreed. The only thing that MIGHT make any changes is anyone in that group that for some reason bid over to the 175 in the past year and incurred a one year training freeze.

Doesn’t say anything about percentages, numbers per month, any modifications to the flow agreement or even any future discussion on the flow agreement or anything like that.

The flow MOU was just to clarify the intent that they wont re-select flows and screw over a couple of pilots because a few others were released from their self induced seat locks during COVID.

pitchattitude 07-15-2021 04:58 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 3264081)
The flow MOU was just to clarify the intent that they wont re-select flows and screw over a couple of pilots because a few others were released from their self induced seat locks during COVID.

I’m sure for the literally less than a handful of people this affects, it means something. But that something wouldn’t even affect those few by more than a few weeks. Yes, I know. If it’s you, even two weeks is two weeks.

My point was this doesn’t affect the overwhelming majority of the pilots and it certainly doesn’t change any numbers as some of the posts were alluding to or wondering about.


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