It’s more likely that all 20 September flows will be placed in the first class of the month, so Sep 22 class will probably have 0 flows in it.

oh wow. Good to know thanks for the info!

Don’t know the number, but was just posted that HI10 reflect September 22nd for those flowing.

can we please quit using the word “furlough”. This is an extremely racist word and more people need to be aware of this.

you probably didn’t mean too, but let’s all try to learn from this and do better.

Furlough has been canceled

I think the ACLU is suggest saying “temporary unemployment” they actually put out a great app you can download. (It’s free!) and they have a list of better words to use instead.

Please tell us your rationale.

this is quite ridiculous. Do you live under a rock? Sorry I’m not trying to be rude but if you really don’t know, in the app I mentioned it can elaborate on the origins. It turns out there is actually some anti LGBTQJA+ aggressions behind the word too!

look I’m not trying to get on people about this...rather I ask that people think a litter harder before you post something like this....you wouldn’t do this in front of your employer if you were not anonymous...so just don’t do it here please.

There's aggression in everything, if you don't like it, then don't say anything. Oh as a side note I'm offended at your narrow mindset and feel threatened by you.

Look, all I’m saying is imagine you were flying with someone you knew was a disadvantage folk like Swayne and you used that word in front of him. I’m sure that could really offend him and you might feel really guilty about it....just something to consider.

No offense, but you’re nuts. The ALCU can take their snowflake app and choke on it. The word furlough has its origins in the 17th century and I’m not worried about it being hijacked into an offensive term.

Airlines furlough. They then recall their furloughs. Sometimes they have to furlough again. Then they recall those who were furloughed.

It's also the word used in the CBA. You can't change those words without bargaining.

someday you will look back on here and see how hurtful your offensive words have hurt other.


any other Non-Privileged Folks on here can back me up?

No. You are wrong. It is a word used in the CBA and shall not be changed without the appropriate bargaining process.

You guys are so easily trolled

I don't have to look to far back to know that people are thin skinned and don't like being called out for their lack of ability. It is amusing. I find what swayne does is offensive since you brought the name up. My answer to all is grow up. Grow some thick skin and live a wonderful life or retreat back into your cocoon and dissolve.
just an opinion. They have not completely outlawed that yet.

I disagree but that’s just me. I don’t think we should be allowed to have those kinds of opinions.

Are you secretly a member of the squad

Settle down Francis. Go take a furlough and relax. Just wipe your swayne afterward.

Some posts are worth ignoring. Just sayn'.

On this thread I do not find the app mentioned by you. Perhaps you posted it on another thread. On this thread I had only asked for you to elaborate. Simple question. It deserves a reasonable answer.

“Living under a rock?” Are u serious??! Wow congrats on being a giant dooooojshh. Someone had to be so I guess you “took one for the team”. I couldn’t be one, I’m not that strong. It must take courage just to be you. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...c628bdd844.jpg


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Did this not start with the word furlough.
I think my employer uses this word freely.
please don't bring up the extortion group aclu or the alphabet group of sexual preference has no bearing on what was the original discussion.
feel free to blow away or up, but do it elsewhere.
we don't appreciate hateful anonymous *** holes.

Man, if y’all were fish, a village would eat well for a year. How many of you chomped at that bait? Hook, line and sinker.

I’m being completely serious here. I’m going to assume by your ignorance, you are probably someone who says the word cockpit too?

Please Halon, keep your micro aggressions in check. The vernacular you chose to use there dates back to the earliest civilization in Anatolia, The Cocks, who were unfortunately thrown into pits by the invading tribes from the Asian Steppes containing a dangerous enzyme called sarlacc. This enzyme would essentially breakdown the human body at an extremely slow rate leading to death.

would the dickpit do.

Well, you must be an a$$ to make a$$umptions.

So why have you chosen to carry the woke banner to the Envoy thread? Plenty of other threads you frequent that have used the “F” word.

If they want to be woke, let them leave a wake up call then go back to sleep. Let the rest go about there daily lives without the nazi police over there shoulder.

What we have here is a sim instructor killing some time while the sim is down. Has to be.

That explains whats coming out of the trng dept.

Who really wants to work for AA at this point?

Between ominous levels of debt at AAG, a flow that's neither guaranteed nor worthwhile seniority-wise if you do arrive at AA (um ... who wants to miss "the hiring wave" and be furlough fodder), and basically everywhere else hiring, flow is worthless.

This pilot understands.

What’s the flow length for a new hire hired today?

I’m sure people who have been stuck at a regional for 10+years with no call from delta/United/swa/fedex would be happy if they got to flow to AA, even if the relative seniority wouldn’t be great. I think the legacies are too big to fail, even with large amount of debt. But I could be wrong

There are probably some Alitalia pilots who thought the same thing.

Or more historically some PanAm pilots that thought the same thing.

Not exactly an apples to apples comparison. Now that passengers have basically returned in meaningful numbers, and every major/legacy is hiring at full-tilt, it would be very difficult for the industry to absorb or swallow an airline the size of one of the “big 4”. The DOT and federal government won’t let that happen, and they’ve shown this.

There are a lot less airlines today than there were in the late 1980s. AA is also much much much bigger than Pan Am ever was, and occupies a much larger market share for both domestic and international travel.

Alitalia is a tiny piece of the EU airline industry. A better comparison would be if IAG or Lufthansa Group collapsed. If Lufthansa, Swiss, Eurowings, Austrian, and Brussels all were on death row, I think even the EU would step in and prevent a collapse.

I think AA will be fine.

I was just responding with some skepticism that “AA is too big to fail”…I don’t think AA is going anywhere. But any company is just a few major management missteps away from obscurity…

Not the topic of this thread, but if ULCC’s continue their rise (think I read they’re about 30% market share in Europe to <10% in the US) the big 4 could get crowded and become the big 3.

Ask most legacy/mainline guys and they’re hesitant to admit that WN is even a part of the big 4…but look what they’ve been able to chip away in the past 10-20 years.