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05-23-2021 | 07:02 PM
#91
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
1) Infuriate all the company people who would listen to the tape.
2) Kept talking from 10K all the way to the gate, giving everybody he pizzed off in #1 the necessary justification to fire him. Especially since his lack of sterile could readily be construed as a distraction and contributing factor to the incident.
That's the other thing, your friends and family will read the transcript if there's a serious incident/accident, and if it's unprofessional it will be on the news... maybe even your own episode of air crash investigations.
05-24-2021 | 03:48 AM
#92
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He has a job because he does exactly what JE and management want him to do. He ****es pilots off, violates the contracts, causes us to file disputes that take forever to be heard and carries their torch forward. He is exactly the type of employee that they love.
05-24-2021 | 05:22 AM
#93
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I thought the same until I stumbled upon this...
Visual Callouts
The following callouts are not included in the individual profiles but can be included to enhance situational awareness.
-Intermittent ground contact
-Ground contact
-Approach lights in sight
EMB-145 AOM 1 Profiles 5.7
Visual Callouts
The following callouts are not included in the individual profiles but can be included to enhance situational awareness.
-Intermittent ground contact
-Ground contact
-Approach lights in sight
EMB-145 AOM 1 Profiles 5.7
05-24-2021 | 05:50 AM
#94
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I thought the same until I stumbled upon this...
Visual Callouts
The following callouts are not included in the individual profiles but can be included to enhance situational awareness.
-Intermittent ground contact
-Ground contact
-Approach lights in sight
EMB-145 AOM 1 Profiles 5.7
Visual Callouts
The following callouts are not included in the individual profiles but can be included to enhance situational awareness.
-Intermittent ground contact
-Ground contact
-Approach lights in sight
EMB-145 AOM 1 Profiles 5.7
05-24-2021 | 06:23 AM
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you ever seen the guy? I have. He looks EXACTLY as you would expect.
05-24-2021 | 07:12 AM
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
Years ago IIRC XJT had a guy like that in crew scheduling... their next contract included language specifying that the guy in question, BY NAME, was not allowed to be employed in a position involving supervision, scheduling, or interacation with flight crew (think he went mesa after). So there's always that.
05-24-2021 | 07:41 AM
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I've known more people get fired for what they said on the CVR vice what they actually did. About half of those were not at fault at all, or flew the plane before the incident crew. If you have an incident that puts you an employment grey area to begin with, gross unprofessionalism or bad-mouthing the company on tape will make it very easy for them to pull the trigger, and the union won't have any high-ground to save you either.
One guy got fired because his CA hit the jetway on on taxi-in that the FO 100% could not see... but he left a running profane monologue on the tape about the company in general and specific managers (all the way from cruise to impact at the gate). The CA, who suffered the tirade in silence got run through the wringer for a year but got his job back and he was the one who hit the jetway.
Your professionalism on the CVR is your best defensive pitch to keep your job.
One guy got fired because his CA hit the jetway on on taxi-in that the FO 100% could not see... but he left a running profane monologue on the tape about the company in general and specific managers (all the way from cruise to impact at the gate). The CA, who suffered the tirade in silence got run through the wringer for a year but got his job back and he was the one who hit the jetway.
Your professionalism on the CVR is your best defensive pitch to keep your job.
Years ago IIRC XJT had a guy like that in crew scheduling... their next contract included language specifying that the guy in question, BY NAME, was not allowed to be employed in a position involving supervision, scheduling, or interacation with flight crew (think he went mesa after). So there's always that.
05-24-2021 | 09:17 AM
#98
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
But the company can, and it doesn't even have to have much to do with safety. Any office worker knows that if he's going to stand around the cubicles and bad-mouth the boss that he needs to be careful who's listening. With pilots we basically know the company is always listening, unless you have CBA provisions about that.
My understanding was that the one individual was so toxic that the union made him a priority target. He was well known in the industry, and had held the same job at other airlines, using the same methods so obviously management liked his MO.
05-25-2021 | 07:33 AM
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Allegiant had an extensive expose on 60 minutes. Granted a lot of their issues were mechanical and stemmed from the old MDs they were flying that have since been retired. But they recovered nicely and that was the whole airline, not just a single regional of many that fly the brand.
05-26-2021 | 11:17 AM
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I see someone has mentioned RTP pilots, does anyone have any input on direct entry captains or forcibly upgraded captains? I'd imagine CNN could put out another hit piece about how Envoy was upgrading first officers against their will back in 2019, even going so far as to implementing a LoA that forced near-minimum time FOs who were trying to avoid the upgrade by simply not getting their hours.
Not saying they're responsible for the letter, but the idea of forcibly upgrading people to the left seat made me question how safe they would be as PICs at the time.
Not saying they're responsible for the letter, but the idea of forcibly upgrading people to the left seat made me question how safe they would be as PICs at the time.
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