Originally Posted by MarkVI (Post 3237265)

The fact of the matter is that regional pilots fly longer days with more legs, into less controlled environments, often times under greater stress for statistical performance, on airframes with significantly older technology than mainline. A great example is the lack of in-flight weather.
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Originally Posted by Inclined plane (Post 3237472)

All good points, but don’t forget about our lack of RNP approach capabilities. I’ve been stuck holding over BZN trying to get in because the wind shifted 180 in moderate snow 3 hours ahead of forecast with low ceilings for the ONLY runway in our FMS (R12) with winds 300 at 15g30, while an AA 737 comes in no problem on the RNP R30 approach. Our crews are facing the pressure to either be loured by ATC into attempting a scud running midfield downwind amidst local terrain for r30 hoping to pick it up visually, or to stay up and hold/divert. #harmonization


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Originally Posted by ClappedOut145 (Post 3237482)

100% this. Look at SkyWest, they are multiple Epic-load updates ahead of us. There’s no reason that Envoy should be screwing around with green world when the damn airplane has the technology to stay in magenta. Fork over the money and help your pilots. I will even include a link. $7 million for the whole fleet. Less than the cost of a furlough.

https://aerospace.honeywell.com/cont...raer_ejets.pdf

Originally Posted by AeroEnvoy (Post 3237398)

This!!!
Its not the lack of airmanship or train. I think it all comes back to fatigue and mental strain. We work longer days, with early starts and minimum rest very frequently and we are afraid of calling fatigue because of the enormous pressure management puts on us to stay on schedule. We also have fewer days off which adds to our fatigue when we don’t even have time to decompress at home.

Originally Posted by MarkVI (Post 3237265)

I don't fly for ENY, but I do fly for a WO. All regionals have their challenges. ENY isn't the only one to make mistakes -- remember when CommuteAir missed the runway in Presque Isle?

The fact of the matter is that regional pilots fly longer days with more legs, into less controlled environments, often times under greater stress for statistical performance, on airframes with significantly older technology than mainline. A great example is the lack of in-flight weather. Mainline can access onboard wi-fi to access global weather products. All WO's are stuck using radar that couldn't heat up a bean burrito. Expand on that to the fact that, of the wholly owned' s, AA's largest singlet type is the 145 which isn't even equipped with a wifi product for the pilots to tap into.
Then we can discuss the consistently negative behavior of CP's at WO's. All of them are in it for the resume, because they got lazy flying the line, or because they're just not good pilots. Some of my CP's have been wrong, on the record, regarding airframe limitations, FOM procedures, MEL's, and HR and Corporate policies. But they sure will be quick to point out a lanyard that's not compliant, or socks that aren't black, or pants that aren't from an "approved" vendor.
So of course those poor guys were going to land in ORD. The risk of having to deal with Air Ops at a regional isn't the same as the risk at a mainline. There's no care, concern, or genuine leadership at almost any of the FFD carriers these days. Add to that their limited weather product availability, the fact that they probably didn't have gas to make them comfortable diverting (if I remember, I think the field was VMC at the time and at my company you'd have to go to court to get some extra gas on a VMC day).

TL;DR: All regionals have some safety issues. Almost all of them start and end at nonexistent leadership, poor culture, and a race to be "the best in the system, but only so far as on-time performance, because nobody cares about having the best place for our pilots." In some ways, this is no different than issues mainline carriers face. ENY pilots are just fine, and I've had the pleasure of jump seating on them a time or two. We might play like Navy vs. Army, but CNN's just looking to dog an airline now that people are flying again. This isn't a big issue. It would be a bigger issue if they had actually put the plane on that runway.

Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 3237202)

It's not an either/or. CNN can be a joke without Fox being a journalistic triumph.

Besides, I guess my wit went right over your head.

Originally Posted by Crimson37Roger (Post 3237342)

I really want to fly with you so you can point out my flaws to my face. I’m sure you’re perfect in everything you do.

Originally Posted by Skip0927 (Post 3237515)

i appreciated your wit. Fortunately I think CNN cancelled its airport network. Can u imagine seeing a headline, “Envoy is dangerous” and then hearing the agent call for “American Eagle flt blah blah, operated by Envoy, with non stop service to TimBuk2”