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Originally Posted by UncreativeUser (Post 3238089)

The point we are making is that we are getting blasted for doing a go around while other airlines have landed on taxiways, while a national news piece wasn’t done on it.

There’s learning from mistakes, and then there’s hit pieces from a news network that lost their airport contract, while knowingly attacking the American Airlines brand as well, which affects the American Eagle brand, and subsequent regionals who fly for AE branded flights.

That’s great you flew 6 packs with NDB’s, so have I. But that doesn’t matter for this context. When you have a training program that forces you to adapt to newer technologies (rightfully so) and then only put half of that technology in the aircraft that they expect you to fly to just past the edge of minimums with a snow storm with faulty ATC directives, and you STILL conduct a go around and then get in trouble for it, at what point do you win? It becomes a culture problem, not an aircraft equipment problem.

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Not disagreeing with you on a hit job against a particular airline. Not bragging about the old days in the Beech. My point was that regional guys have always had to do more with less. For the most part they have been successful. The pilots flying regional routes over the last 50 years have a pretty good record. It was, is and probably always will be harder work than their brothers at the mainline.

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Originally Posted by ClappedOut145 (Post 3237482)

100% this. Look at SkyWest, they are multiple Epic-load updates ahead of us. There’s no reason that Envoy should be screwing around with green world when the damn airplane has the technology to stay in magenta. Fork over the money and help your pilots. I will even include a link. $7 million for the whole fleet. Less than the cost of a furlough.

https://aerospace.honeywell.com/cont...raer_ejets.pdf

Envoy flies the 175 in green?

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Originally Posted by FltCtrlNoDsptch (Post 3238254)

Envoy flies the 175 in green?

Magenta with preview for the ILS then switches to green. LOC is green as well with FPA.

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Originally Posted by ClappedOut145 (Post 3238365)

Magenta with preview for the ILS then switches to green. LOC is green as well with FPA.

That's how everybody used to fly the deuce too.

Who was at fault for a go around? I thought it was pretty clear go arounds are encouraged from the top? Not familiar with that specific situation

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Originally Posted by CaseTractor (Post 3238411)

Who was at fault for a go around? I thought it was pretty clear go arounds are encouraged from the top? Not familiar with that specific situation

Apparently we're all at fault for the go-around

moral: never go around????

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Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 3238416)

Apparently we're all at fault for the go-around

moral: never go around????

I guess you might as well forget about setting missed approach altitudes while you're at it.

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Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 3238416)

Apparently we're all at fault for the go-around

moral: never go around????

Real men don’t go around?

Leaving full scale deflection. Going visual.