Isn't ED retiring at the end of the year? AH could go away tomorrow and the only ones who would care would be the ones who he protects. The problem is RW. When he took over for JW it was foretold that it would not be a good situation for the pilots and that prediction has come true. Envoy needs new blood. Look at the management group. RW, RN, AH, JW, ST, JD, JE and many of the upper echelons are all lifers who don't have any concept of life outside of AMR/AAG. If AA is upset about the PR that has been created and wants to fix it, then it starts with a cultural shift. I am not going to air the dirty laundry out here, but we know what it is.

I don’t think ED is retiring at the end of the year, as far as I know it was not his plan. I couldn’t agree more with your post. Trust me, we’ll soon be seeing some management changes at the ‘voy. You know I still have good sources.

Get rid of RW, AH and JE and 90% of our issues will go away.

While I certainly believe JE is a lot of the reason for the toxic culture in crew scheduling, even if there is a change of management, I seriously doubt that she would be part of it. Definitely a problem, but a lot harder to directly attribute that to the type of issues that have been highlighted.

It's not unusual in other industries to negotiate management changes as a part of contract negotiations. While unforunate, Perhaps ALPA should start to look at that.

I'd lose a few bucks to work under less toxic management culture.

Years ago the faa listened to a couple of cvr's that were part of an investigation. What the faa heard on the recordings freaked them out and jumped on management.
basically whats being said here less colorfully is what they heard on the cvr's and it scared the faa.

I've known more people get fired for what they said on the CVR vice what they actually did. About half of those were not at fault at all, or flew the plane before the incident crew. If you have an incident that puts you an employment grey area to begin with, gross unprofessionalism or bad-mouthing the company on tape will make it very easy for them to pull the trigger, and the union won't have any high-ground to save you either.

One guy got fired because his CA hit the jetway on on taxi-in that the FO 100% could not see... but he left a running profane monologue on the tape about the company in general and specific managers (all the way from cruise to impact at the gate). The CA, who suffered the tirade in silence got run through the wringer for a year but got his job back and he was the one who hit the jetway.

Your professionalism on the CVR is your best defensive pitch to keep your job.

My guess is, if the FO had stopped his rant at 10,000ft, he wouldn’t have gotten in trouble. I can’t imagine the company could take action if you do everything right, but call a bunch of managers D-Bags while in cruise.

That said, unfortunately, we have to remember that anything we say in that cockpit could end up getting printed in the papers if something goes wrong. On the whole, I agree with you, just keep it professional.

Now that would have been a good cost neutral item. Can JE and Todd.

Todd is as toxic as it gets. I don’t know how he has a job. Absolutely incredible.