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Cujo665 09-24-2021 06:12 AM

My tea leaves says the E145 leaves the AAG fleet plan in 2024 (possibly sooner if they paid them down in advance, they had been refinanced until 2024)..... in either case, no need for the sims. Guess who probably has an option to buy them already locked in with the space/facility lease agreement.

pitchattitude 09-24-2021 10:03 AM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 3299708)
My tea leaves says the E145 leaves the AAG fleet plan in 2024 (possibly sooner if they paid them down in advance, they had been refinanced until 2024)..... in either case, no need for the sims. Guess who probably has an option to buy them already locked in with the space/facility lease agreement.

I think 2024 is too early for the demise of the 145, although not many would be disappointed to see it gone much sooner. I think still five years. AAG has about 120 between PDT and ENY. That’s a lot of lift to replace at great expense, and one entire company. That certainly would be a good time to absorb the pilots of PDT into PSA, but all thee WOs are much bigger on the ground services side, so more involved with that.

That being said, SKW is trying to expand to 7000 pilots by next year and they probably have the resources to buy the planes to put those pilots to work if AAG expands/extends their contract.

TransWorld 09-24-2021 07:08 PM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 3299708)
My tea leaves says the E145 leaves the AAG fleet plan in 2024 (possibly sooner if they paid them down in advance, they had been refinanced until 2024)..... in either case, no need for the sims. Guess who probably has an option to buy them already locked in with the space/facility lease agreement.

I think most will go by 2024 or a bit later. A few will stick around a bit longer. Eventually, those locations that are EAS or near that will have to have a solution. CRJ550 or something. That is my crystal ball.

pitchattitude 09-24-2021 08:44 PM


Originally Posted by TransWorld (Post 3299968)
I think most will go by 2024 or a bit later. A few will stick around a bit longer. Eventually, those locations that are EAS or near that will have to have a solution. CRJ550 or something. That is my crystal ball.

The CRJ-550 is only a solution on routes that can justify the additional operating costs because they can sell enough premium seats, which is the whole point of the plane.

Cujo665 09-25-2021 10:52 AM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3299813)
I think 2024 is too early for the demise of the 145, although not many would be disappointed to see it gone much sooner. I think still five years. AAG has about 120 between PDT and ENY. That’s a lot of lift to replace at great expense, and one entire company. That certainly would be a good time to absorb the pilots of PDT into PSA, but all thee WOs are much bigger on the ground services side, so more involved with that.

That being said, SKW is trying to expand to 7000 pilots by next year and they probably have the resources to buy the planes to put those pilots to work if AAG expands/extends their contract.


pilot shortage
shrinkage
consolidation

wanting to grow to 7,000 sounds great. Will never happen. The entire regional industry is going to contract, not grow. Could they buy somebody or merge for the staffing increase, that’s possible…. But growing organically, nope.
not with LCC’s already starting to hire straight from colleges like regionals do. Nobody’s going to Skywest when they’ll be able to go to Spirit, Frontier or Allegiant… plus a few ACMI’s too.

KirillTheThrill 09-25-2021 11:15 AM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 3300160)
pilot shortage
shrinkage
consolidation

wanting to grow to 7,000 sounds great. Will never happen. The entire regional industry is going to contract, not grow. Could they buy somebody or merge for the staffing increase, that’s possible…. But growing organically, nope.
not with LCC’s already starting to hire straight from colleges like regionals do. Nobody’s going to Skywest when they’ll be able to go to Spirit, Frontier or Allegiant… plus a few ACMI’s too.

Lmao, you have no idea what you’re talking about. I don’t expect you to have a clue about SkyWest or it’s management, but it’s not the JV team over in St. George. Mormons don’t **** around when it comes to their money, they’ll adjust accordingly to whatever it takes to pull every single pilot to their shop. SkyWest right now hasn’t given up a damn thing to recruit more pilots and they’re pulling in all the applicants. Why do you really think AA is offering these sucker bonuses?

I’ve spent almost 5 years at that company and will be leaving here very shortly, but I’m not even remotely worried about the future of my friends at SkyWest.

Btw I read some doomsday post by you about SkyWest a few months ago, attrition has been well over 50 a month, list has grown from 5,100 to 5,600 pilots, they’ll be at 6,000+ at the end of the year just watch. They have the training capacity to push 300+ pilots a month, which alone makes them a massive asset to places like UAL, DL, and AA, plus every other major carrier in town that will need to fill right seats.

Also remember this, Delta has never hired over 1,200 pilots in a year (2016), because they can’t, don’t have the training capacity to pull it off. So when you see these “2,000 new hires for 2022” remember most these shops don’t have the training sims available for these claims.

My prediction, if the market gets bad as you claim, they’ll finally get an offer they can’t refuse and be bought out by a legacy.

pitchattitude 09-25-2021 11:18 AM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 3300160)
pilot shortage
shrinkage
consolidation

wanting to grow to 7,000 sounds great. Will never happen. The entire regional industry is going to contract, not grow. Could they buy somebody or merge for the staffing increase, that’s possible…. But growing organically, nope.
not with LCC’s already starting to hire straight from colleges like regionals do. Nobody’s going to Skywest when they’ll be able to go to Spirit, Frontier or Allegiant… plus a few ACMI’s too.

I agree with a lot of what you are saying, but just don’t think it will get there that quick. The folks being hired at Frontier that are cadets, as I understand” have to lay out another large chunk of $$ for their type. I don’t think you’re going to see large numbers going directly to those places.

Skywest has, as I understand, recently changed tactics to a “hire everyone and weed them out”, but I still think they are pushing to be the company that ends up on top when others have finally gone away.

And again, while United APPEARS to be shrinking their regional fleet, it hasn’t happened yet. Still a lot of folks around to fill flight decks, to include green card seekers.

We’ll have to agree to disagree and revisit this in five years.

dera 09-25-2021 08:45 PM


Originally Posted by KirillTheThrill (Post 3300170)
Lmao, you have no idea what you’re talking about. I don’t expect you to have a clue about SkyWest or it’s management, but it’s not the JV team over in St. George. Mormons don’t **** around when it comes to their money, they’ll adjust accordingly to whatever it takes to pull every single pilot to their shop. SkyWest right now hasn’t given up a damn thing to recruit more pilots and they’re pulling in all the applicants. Why do you really think AA is offering these sucker bonuses?

I’ve spent almost 5 years at that company and will be leaving here very shortly, but I’m not even remotely worried about the future of my friends at SkyWest.

Btw I read some doomsday post by you about SkyWest a few months ago, attrition has been well over 50 a month, list has grown from 5,100 to 5,600 pilots, they’ll be at 6,000+ at the end of the year just watch. They have the training capacity to push 300+ pilots a month, which alone makes them a massive asset to places like UAL, DL, and AA, plus every other major carrier in town that will need to fill right seats.

Also remember this, Delta has never hired over 1,200 pilots in a year (2016), because they can’t, don’t have the training capacity to pull it off. So when you see these “2,000 new hires for 2022” remember most these shops don’t have the training sims available for these claims.

My prediction, if the market gets bad as you claim, they’ll finally get an offer they can’t refuse and be bought out by a legacy.

Cujo665 has more experience and input to this than you will ever have.
Go play in your sandbox.

KirillTheThrill 09-25-2021 09:17 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 3300348)
Cujo665 has more experience and input to this than you will ever have.
Go play in your sandbox.

Oh look at you defending your boyfriends honor, he’d be so proud.

You claimed to have it all figured out yourself not too long ago, leave the Voy for Atlas and sneak right into a new contract… how’d that go btw?

cr700 09-26-2021 02:22 AM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 3300160)
pilot shortage
shrinkage
consolidation

wanting to grow to 7,000 sounds great. Will never happen. The entire regional industry is going to contract, not grow. Could they buy somebody or merge for the staffing increase, that’s possible…. But growing organically, nope.
not with LCC’s already starting to hire straight from colleges like regionals do. Nobody’s going to Skywest when they’ll be able to go to Spirit, Frontier or Allegiant… plus a few ACMI’s too.

Just about all of your "predictions" over your life on this forum have not shaken out the way that you said they would. I believe that your release from Envoy tripped something in your head that makes you think of yourself as some type of Yoda figure here that everyone wants to hear from. Your situation is one of the saddest I've ever seen. An American Airlines career so close and then you bungle it and end up at a low end ACMI after stints at a couple other shady ops.


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