Originally Posted by LRJdriver (Post 3612631)

I just got offered the 4/13 orientation date for a possible 5/01 class date, good luck to you all.

Originally Posted by LRJdriver (Post 3612683)

FO. Non envoy cadet or previous 121 time. Hiring is def picking back up and they maybe back to taking more low time FOs. Thats a good sign, I hope it stays this way.

Originally Posted by Simeoner (Post 3598714)

Rickair777 I don’t disagree with you. It’s all about being honest. I have no desire to go to a legacy. I can articulate my situation during the interview and will just have to sell the fact I’ve taken the responsibility. There will be no poop attitude as you call it when I start applying.

Originally Posted by CaseTractor (Post 3630158)

Has anyone seen this or heard of it?

I was walking down JFK Boulevard near IAH from my commuter hotel to Taco Bell contemplating the meaning of life on reserve. I saw this giant glowing truck coming at me. Expecting some ad for concert, lawyer, or something more normal, I was floored to see a 175 with happy pilots and promises of six figure income instantly just by signing up.

I’ve seen these ads too in ORD, but the truck blew my mind. It’s a crazy world where airlines are soliciting pilots. It’s a good thing, or at least light years ahead of people paying to get their first jobs.

Sadly, I remembered I am ineligible for such promises on the truck since I did not flow and am probably blacklisted from ever applying to AA or their WOs.

I hope everyone is well there and enjoying much movement from flow and OAL attrition, while making amazing pay.

Originally Posted by LRJdriver (Post 3612631)

I just got offered the 4/13 orientation date for a possible 5/01 class date, good luck to you all.

Originally Posted by Ravenwing (Post 3612129)

I am prior Part 121 and had Orientation March 9th. My observation is that the training department has been scheduling somewhat last minute; I received email confirmation of an orientation date I had heard by phone exactly two weeks prior to that date along with a request for more paperwork. I received travel plans the day before I departed. Prior groups got Indoc dates at Orientation, we were told what dates to expect and I received confirmation of mine a week later. Envoy isn’t scheduling months out like everyone else.

The next Orientation date is April 13th. If you are on their firm list for this date you can expect to hear more by email on March 30th. I have heard of some cadets receiving less than two weeks notice, so it is possible Envoy will offer this date to more pilots closer in as they finalize numbers and plans. They are probably still prioritizing prior Part 121 pilots and hoping to fit in others too, maybe they discovered their hiring pool mostly went elsewhere and are now replacing them. If you are in their hiring pool and can accept less than two weeks notice, I would email your recruiters and remind them after March 30th. I would guess the May Orientation date will be May 11th or 18th since it is always on a Thursday.

As a pilot you are always going to be a number to your employer, they may expect loyalty but they won’t give you loyalty in return and they don’t care about what is fair. Until you are actually in Orientation you don’t have a firm spot on Envoy’s training list or pilot seniority list. The good thing is that with Envoy’s orientation system they start paying you up to six weeks before you actually start ground school.

Originally Posted by Ravenwing (Post 3612129)

I am prior Part 121 and had Orientation March 9th. My observation is that the training department has been scheduling somewhat last minute; I received email confirmation of an orientation date I had heard by phone exactly two weeks prior to that date along with a request for more paperwork. I received travel plans the day before I departed. Prior groups got Indoc dates at Orientation, we were told what dates to expect and I received confirmation of mine a week later. Envoy isn’t scheduling months out like everyone else.

The next Orientation date is April 13th. If you are on their firm list for this date you can expect to hear more by email on March 30th. I have heard of some cadets receiving less than two weeks notice, so it is possible Envoy will offer this date to more pilots closer in as they finalize numbers and plans. They are probably still prioritizing prior Part 121 pilots and hoping to fit in others too, maybe they discovered their hiring pool mostly went elsewhere and are now replacing them. If you are in their hiring pool and can accept less than two weeks notice, I would email your recruiters and remind them after March 30th. I would guess the May Orientation date will be May 11th or 18th since it is always on a Thursday.

As a pilot you are always going to be a number to your employer, they may expect loyalty but they won’t give you loyalty in return and they don’t care about what is fair. Until you are actually in Orientation you don’t have a firm spot on Envoy’s training list or pilot seniority list. The good thing is that with Envoy’s orientation system they start paying you up to six weeks before you actually start ground school.

Originally Posted by Aquilotti1 (Post 3630278)

whats the difference between indoc and orientation?

Originally Posted by Boneyard (Post 3640015)

So to be clear, your seniority number starts from orientation and not indoc?

Originally Posted by LRJdriver (Post 3612683)

FO. Non envoy cadet or previous 121 time. Hiring is def picking back up and they maybe back to taking more low time FOs. Thats a good sign, I hope it stays this way.

Originally Posted by Fix2fix (Post 3655529)

6 years ago in my new hire class, there was a decent amount of cadets for the cadet program. Do the cadets build seniority while they build flight time at a partner flight school?

Originally Posted by BigZ (Post 3655729)

No, they don't build seniority.
The only thing they build is company longevity, which lets them get to more vacation accrual sooner, but, if I recall correctly, that's the only thing it does.

Originally Posted by Ravenwing (Post 3655761)

The cadets get the highest seniority within their Orientation class in addition to longevity. That will gain them 30-60 seniority numbers and a sooner Indoc date.

Originally Posted by Charles Hotel (Post 3657903)

Question, I'm currently scheduled for Orientation August 3rd. Trying to figure out if its okay to continue working at my current job until INDOC date or do I leave my Part 91 job prior to orientation. Anyone have anything on this?

Originally Posted by adeel01 (Post 3657696)

I had my interview with Envoy for FO position on June 6th and I was given a pre-employment offer letter. Since then I haven't heard back from them. I doubled checked with the school where I used to work and they have already sent all the required PRIA forms to Envoy.
There was one more guy with me at the interview and he received his CJO a week after. I tried contacting the pilot recruiting team and they just told me its in the review process..
I am starting to get worried now because its been three weeks. Anybody else experienced something like this with Envoy?

Originally Posted by 14jjpatel (Post 3661368)

Hello all. I interviewed 6/26 and was given a pre employment offer. Since then all my current CFI/135 jobs have sent in the PRIA forms to Envoy. I am wondering if anyone has an idea of when I can expect to hear back about a class date? Thanks!

Originally Posted by DirectHISER (Post 3666012)

For anyone interested—started transition from cadet instructor to FO process on June 13. PRIA seemed to be the longest process (especially if coming from part 141 school), taking about 4 weeks to complete. Received an email on July 13 stating I had passed captain review board and was emailed the CJO. After sending back the signed CJO, was contacted on the same day regarding ATP-CTP letter of commitment and scheduling for ATP-CTP/Orientation. Per the email, they’re scheduling ATP-CTP classes for every MWF and typically scheduled within 2 weeks of orientation. Received ATP-CTP confirmation on July 14 and was told to expect August 3 orientation. The contact from the class prep team said the last class only had 4 days in between orientation and indoc. Sounds like they’re still scheduling for August 3 and September 10 orientation dates.
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Originally Posted by DirectGTOUT (Post 3666309)

Can confirm was given July 6 orientation and was back for indoc July 10. Some people are coming back next week for long term. Training is moving pretty fast once in.

Originally Posted by DirectGTOUT (Post 3666309)

Can confirm was given July 6 orientation and was back for indoc July 10. Some people are coming back next week for long term. Training is moving pretty fast once in.

Originally Posted by DirectHISER (Post 3666330)

Any word on breaks between ground school and sim training?

Originally Posted by Satoshikitty (Post 3666916)

There is no break between ground school and sim. Once you're assigned a class number, you follow that footprint for the Initial AQP program. The most you will have is 3 days off between events, with the longest break given during your home study CBT (5 days if I remember?), which isn't a break at all, given the insane amount of slides you have to watch in that time!

Originally Posted by pilotr (Post 3666388)

How were the Indoc start dates allocated at Orientation? Could you bid or request a starting date?

Originally Posted by GoesTo11 (Post 3667601)

Seniority order. You cannot choose your Indoc date. I am guessing you might be able to delay your orientation date if you have other commitments but that would be up to the recruiting department. Our large orientation group was broken down into 4 different classes.