Originally Posted by SlipIt (Post 3441148)

Literally 3 hrs. 1600 hrs TT all Part 91

Originally Posted by Ilikeplanes96 (Post 3441412)

When did you apply?

Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 3441348)

fly with some new hire FOs fresh off IOE. Airmanship standards are way down.

Originally Posted by nkweb (Post 3441542)

Does a new hire bid on their aircraft choice or is this decided by the company?

Originally Posted by Theflyingmurse (Post 3441990)

Hey guys, much like a previous regional pilot asking about payouts, I already planned to speak with a recruiter to confirm pay.

To give you guys an idea of turnaround time on application to CJO, I'm a 175 guy that's been in the regionals for 4 years and I have about 1700hrs in type and 3300hrs TT. In less than 18 hours after application submission I had a CJO. No interview necessary.

I'm currently trying to find as much info as I can before I sign on the dotted line and completely upend my life for more money (but 3x as much money with a newborn at home is impossible to ignore).

I was told that with my experience I'm looking at 157.50/hr. Training pay would be that rate at 64hrs. I'm hoping to get ORD on the 175, but it sounds like ORD is harder to get. I was told to anticipate a forced upgrade within my first bidding cycle off of FO OE - I'm OK with that as long as I'm in the 175.

Questions: how do you guys bid currently at Envoy and what kind of ****ty reserve schedule should I anticipate off of OE?

How many sick calls do you get? Do you need a doctor's note to not get dinged with an occurrence?

Any commuting safeguards if you can't get to your base? I've never had to commute, so any info in this area is beneficial.

Lastly, I realize it's a regional and regionals are not really anyone's end goals, but how is the culture? Are people miserable? Is it improving with the announcement of these new pay rates? Oh, and is training considered difficult or easy? Are CKAs looking to fail or pass you?

Thanks in advance.

Originally Posted by BlackOcelot (Post 3442107)

Why would you not go direct to AA? Why Envoy?

Originally Posted by In Exile (Post 3442154)

Like the other guy here, I put my application in a couple weeks ago and haven't received a call. I exceed the requirements by a margin and have been receiving quick call back from other regionals (like a few hours). Anyone know what's up?

Originally Posted by CFIsoonToBeFO (Post 3442157)

If you currently fly for any regional that operates any Eagle flights, don’t expect a call. (SkyWest, Republic, Mesa). The plan is to keep Eagle flights staffed and operating. Hiring from those regionals would jeopardize that performance (even though those airlines do fly for other carriers). Once AA can fully staff their WO then they can start taking planes away from OO, YX, & Mesa and bring them under the W/O carriers (and at that time, hire from those airlines).

Originally Posted by CFIsoonToBeFO (Post 3442157)

If you currently fly for any regional that operates any Eagle flights, don’t expect a call. (SkyWest, Republic, Mesa). The plan is to keep Eagle flights staffed and operating. Hiring from those regionals would jeopardize that performance (even though those airlines do fly for other carriers). Once AA can fully staff their WO then they can start taking planes away from OO, YX, & Mesa and bring them under the W/O carriers (and at that time, hire from those airlines).

Originally Posted by Theflyingmurse (Post 3442166)

If that were true, i wouldn't have received a CJO in mere hours.

I'd call a recruiter and express your interest in Envoy. Then advise that you've already applied. They wouldn't be advertising these ridiculous rates if they weren't interested in staffing with qualified pilots.

Originally Posted by Theflyingmurse (Post 3441990)

Hey guys, much like a previous regional pilot asking about payouts, I already planned to speak with a recruiter to confirm pay.

To give you guys an idea of turnaround time on application to CJO, I'm a 175 guy that's been in the regionals for 4 years and I have about 1700hrs in type and 3300hrs TT. In less than 18 hours after application submission I had a CJO. No interview necessary.

I'm currently trying to find as much info as I can before I sign on the dotted line and completely upend my life for more money (but 3x as much money with a newborn at home is impossible to ignore).

I was told that with my experience I'm looking at 157.50/hr. Training pay would be that rate at 64hrs. I'm hoping to get ORD on the 175, but it sounds like ORD is harder to get. I was told to anticipate a forced upgrade within my first bidding cycle off of FO OE - I'm OK with that as long as I'm in the 175.

So yeah, with 4 yrs 121 time, you’ll start at year 4 pay. And since you have more than 750 hrs, it should be CA pay which is $157.50 right now.

You would still be junior, so if forced upgrades do come back around(and we all think they will) you may be sitting as gatekeeper on the 145 until it’s retired. Just a possibility. Depends on how quickly they actually wind down the plane.

Expect ORD within 6 months. They may not be giving it to new hires, but there is still movement.


Questions: how do you guys bid currently at Envoy and what kind of ****ty reserve schedule should I anticipate off of OE?

Currently it’s line bidding. Though PBS did get approved, no one knows how this will go though. Expect crap honestly.

Reserve is 75hr guarantee, generally 11 days off, which should get bumped to 12 soon. Mostly 5on/3off stretches. May change in future though. Expect to fly, especially as a CA.

How many sick calls do you get? Do you need a doctor's note to not get dinged with an occurrence?

You don’t really get a set amount. You earn sick time per month. Don’t remember the rate. CPs we’re having meetings with anyone who called in sick more than twice in a year not too long ago. Though it doesn’t seem like much has happened of it and it’s mostly stopped.
Past rumors of people getting let go on probation for too many sick calls, but honestly that was 2017-18 when hiring was booming. I’d say keep it to less than 3-4/yr and you’d be fine. Suggest having a doctors note on number 4 if you go that far.

Any commuting safeguards if you can't get to your base? I've never had to commute, so any info in this area is beneficial.

We have a commuting policy of 6 excused incidences in a rolling year. To qualify, you have to have made an attempt on 2 flights that would have gotten in before your sign in time. Call after each missed flight. Sometimes they positive space you after first missed attempt. Though it is still at the discretion of the CP to determine if you made a “good faith” attempt.
I personally had a missed assignment after spending all day(starting at like 9am) trying to commute, missing like 5-6 flights. Wasn’t considered a “good faith” attempt because I went home before the last flight of the night, in which I could have gotten on.

Also, you get 4 commuter hotels a month. Just simply request a hotel for the day before or after you sequence and you’ll get one. Sometimes it takes a couple hours, some times 10min. Depends on if weather is cancelling flights and the hotel desk gets backed up.

Lastly, I realize it's a regional and regionals are not really anyone's end goals, but how is the culture? Are people miserable? Is it improving with the announcement of these new pay rates? Oh, and is training considered difficult or easy? Are CKAs looking to fail or pass you?

it’s a mixed bag. Some are passed at future of PBS. Some are excited for it. Just so much has changed in the past 2 months, yet nothing has been implemented yet. So no one knows what to expect. Morale seems to have improved with the pay hike, but we are pilots so sure enough we will starting b****ing about something else shortly.

Most of the bad instructors have gone. Its AQP style training, so very forgiving. Should be simple if you’re already typed.

Thanks in advance.

Originally Posted by fatman (Post 3442212)

Maybe this will help

Originally Posted by Ray48430 (Post 3442359)

Y’all are about to have 1/2 the 9E pilot group there. Considering throwing an app in myself

Originally Posted by Griffinthefool (Post 3442364)

You love to see it happen

Originally Posted by vbguy01 (Post 3442333)

For an ex-military guy without an ATP, looking to get back in the cockpit via Envoy using their ATP program, are there any contracts, seat locks or the like after training completed (repay bonuses etc)? Haven’t seen anything on commitments.

Originally Posted by Theflyingmurse (Post 3442325)

Thank you very much. I was told that there are FO slots available for ORD every class drop - just not nearly as many as DFW/MIA. I was told to expect a forced upgrade within the first bidding cycle.

Also, just talked to a couple of recruiters. They're actually starting me at 5 year CA pay of because I've completed 4 years at my regional and I'm in my 5th year. I'm also looking at around 62k in bonuses year 1 due to being over 950 hours in the 121 world. Absolutely nuts. This is going to be game changing for the entire industry.

And to the dude above that thought I might've had my application already on file? I didn't. Just called a recruiter, told him my experience, applied, and had a CJO in my inbox about 16hrs later. The shortage is real. Can't wait to start!

Originally Posted by vbguy01 (Post 3442333)

For an ex-military guy without an ATP, looking to get back in the cockpit via Envoy using their ATP program, are there any contracts, seat locks or the like after training completed (repay bonuses etc)? Haven’t seen anything on commitments.

Originally Posted by Theflyingmurse (Post 3442325)

Thank you very much. I was told that there are FO slots available for ORD every class drop - just not nearly as many as DFW/MIA. I was told to expect a forced upgrade within the first bidding cycle.

Also, just talked to a couple of recruiters. They're actually starting me at 5 year CA pay of because I've completed 4 years at my regional and I'm in my 5th year. I'm also looking at around 62k in bonuses year 1 due to being over 950 hours in the 121 world. Absolutely nuts. This is going to be game changing for the entire industry.

And to the dude above that thought I might've had my application already on file? I didn't. Just called a recruiter, told him my experience, applied, and had a CJO in my inbox about 16hrs later. The shortage is real. Can't wait to start!

Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3442491)

Anyplace you go and use their ATP program will have a contract and require a repayment if you leave right away. Most places one year at least. They tend to leave out the less glorious details on the websites.

As far a EQUIPMENT lock, IF Envoy starts hiring into the 145 again, as an FO you are locked unless you get displaced out of the plane or upgrade. Not locked to a base.

Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3442491)

Anyplace you go and use their ATP program will have a contract and require a repayment if you leave right away. Most places one year at least. They tend to leave out the less glorious details on the websites.

As far a EQUIPMENT lock, IF Envoy starts hiring into the 145 again, as an FO you are locked unless you get displaced out of the plane or upgrade. Not locked to a base.

Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 3442905)

was there a CBA change in there to allow them to hire people at different pay steps based upon years of 121 experience, or are the recruiters inventing stuff again?

Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 3442905)

was there a CBA change in there to allow them to hire people at different pay steps based upon years of 121 experience, or are the recruiters inventing stuff again?

Originally Posted by dera (Post 3442910)

Yes there was, but only if every senior pilot on lower rate gets promoted too so it would be expensive to do so.

Originally Posted by dera (Post 3442910)

Yes there was, but only if every senior pilot on lower rate gets promoted too so it would be expensive to do so.

Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 3443017)

they just announced experience credit publicly so it looks like they’re cutting the check.

Originally Posted by vbguy01 (Post 3442634)

Understood. So may be best to pay for the ATP instead of being locked for an extended period. Have the TT and PIC for major/legacies just not the recency (and ATP). Thanks for the info!

Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3443047)

You need to read my previous response to your and Dera’s post. The 121 experience credit isn’t going to be a huge check. Not going to affect anyone except those individually that actually come in with 121 time. Probably about what they spent on DEC bonuses earlier.

Originally Posted by g1000pilot (Post 3443096)

How long before a new hire is eligible for insurance benefits?

Originally Posted by vbguy01 (Post 3442333)

For an ex-military guy without an ATP, looking to get back in the cockpit via Envoy using their ATP program, are there any contracts, seat locks or the like after training completed (repay bonuses etc)? Haven’t seen anything on commitments.

Originally Posted by BurnCycle (Post 3443293)

Well, you're eligible immediately, but they kick in one month from DOH.

Originally Posted by SlipIt (Post 3443698)

Any info you can provide on employee premiums? I have 3 dependents that I’m currently paying $1100/month- hoping Envoy is better.


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