We do have mouse activated sims you can use, they are available anytime a class isn't utilizing the FMS lab.

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The FMS sim is pretty much just that. A glorified proprietary version not even on par with Microsoft flight sim for learning the FMS. You can “fly” it, but you can only use/see part of the instrument panel and pedestal at a time.

Filler......

175 class dates
 

Do you guys know about how far out class dates are for the 175?

No one knows what will be awarded in any new hire class from one class to the next. It’s done on the day of new hire class.

PRD
 

Hi all,

Quick question. For our background PRIA/PRD do I include all the part 61 schools I was an instructor at. I have instructed quite a bit over the years as an independent contractor. Started at ATP and many others after. I was never employed but sure felt like it ATP, Not sure since PRD says part 121, 135 and 91k? Don’t want to look like I’m hiding anything but don’t want them not to get responses from these guys. Anyone recently fill out these forms recently with envoy?

-Terry

That would be an awesome question for the recruitment team. Unfortunately, this is the opposite of the recruitment team.

Reading through a lot of grumbling about poor QOL, reserve schedules, management etc. but how bad is it really? Is this in comparison to other regionals? Mainlines? Naive flight instructor here just trying to get a real picture as I consider which regionals to apply to. Current QOL is zero days off flying as much as possible, and enjoying it too. Getting paid to fly a jet with scheduled days off sounds like a dream to me. I know regionals are a hustle but seems you have to go into it expecting that and enjoying it for what it is. Again, admittedly niave as I've never been in those shoes... and understand there are more and less desirable regionals, so is Envoy really all that bad? I imagine there is plenty of flying to be done so quick upgrade at least?

Enjoying it? Yeah you'll love it here, and they'll love you here (but this won't stop them from giving you MAs if your commuter flight delays or something).

The grumbling is all accurate, if you still want the job go for it. If you want someone to lie to you about it, bring up the grumbling with your recruiter.

Anybody that was hired in January have class dates assigned?

Hey I wouldn't be here if I wanted to be lied to, I know recruiters have a job to do. I appreciate the raw and unfiltered. If not envoy, any suggestions?

Run?


Just kidding. Pick one you can drive to and go with it. If AA is your preferred final destination, avoid Envoy, PSA, and Piedmont.

If you are truly that unattached, go to the one that can give you the quickest class date, shortest time on reserve, and will fly your butt off. It used to be to get hired at a major you needed 1000 TPIC. With an otherwise clean record, 500 of 121 SIC puts you in the zone now. If the regional can hold together that long you can probably get a ULCC job and get a second type and some heavier flying that will make you competitive anywhere if you don’t like it there.

But futz around for 3-4 years in the regionals - assuming they survive - and you’ll be way behind those who moved quicker for the rest of your career. And try to go to one unlikely to crash before you get at least 500 SIC. That probably excludes flying 50 pax aircraft.

The 500-121 is wholly inaccurate. Having 121-TPIC is still required to be competitive. You don’t need 1000 anymore, but it’s not like FO’s are flying off the shelves as compared to captains.

I don’t know that it’s wholly inaccurate. Captains seem to be leaving in smaller numbers than FOs to me. It may be that a larger portion of captains are close enough to flow to be lazy with the application process or maybe it’s that they are more picky which who they are applying to. But FO’s with a bit of time are leaving this airline in droves.

It really isn't. United is taking a bunch of Envoy FOs and now Delta started hiring them too. Zero 121 PIC.

While this is true, there is usually some kind of X-factor that plays into those hires. Not always, at least according to the people getting hired themselves (who may not want to admit benefitting from nepotism or whatever), but usually.

You’ll get a some varied opinions, including some strong negative ones from a few who seem to really hate it here. For me at almost 5 years in I have no real complaints, but I’ve lived in base the whole time too and have yet to experience some of the horrendous things you hear here.

There is truth to this. Most of the ones I’m hearing of going check more than a few boxes I can’t.

I will add my vote to this statement as well. Most going to the majors as FO have SOME box to check that the majority can’t. Read that how you want.

Plenty going to other than major carriers as FO as well. But yes, by the time you become a line holding captain, it gets harder to jump to something that you don’t see as your “final” destination. A lot of factors go into making those decisions that are different for everyone.

That’s why you see lifers at nearly all regionals. You get to a certain age and number on the seniority list you start getting a bit more vacation and more of the schedule you want, particularly if you are living in base. A lot of guys just don’t want to chase the extra money for what may only ten years and start over at the bottom, commuting to reserve and being the FO that has to do the walk around in the snow and rain and no vacation time.

The 2 I know who are going to DL this month are straight white dudes with no internals.

That should balance out with what american is doing.

The one I know like that is married to a Delta FA whose dad is a Delta CA, although he doesn’t admit that may have helped him.

I'm very good friends with both 2 that I mentioned, no family ties whatsoever.

Prior military or 4-yr degrees?

Most I’ve seen have had another box checked. Mainly the degree one. I know most have gotten “rid” of it as a requirement. I imagine a few have but I haven’t really heard anyone without one getting a call anywhere but the LCC’s.

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No mil, degrees of course.

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Just tried the one I out uo and your correct, but the one you quoted works. For some reason the quoted link works.

I love how you anonymous keyboard warriors here know the exact numbers AA is hiring outside the flow. Far more than a handful of Envoy pilots have been hired outside the flow in the past 6 months. When you factor in the flow, Envoy is far and away your best choice to get to American in the fastest manner possible. There are so many disgruntled guys here for whatever reason that like to throw grenades in here and attempt to poison the well. I can tell you that it's not working. Recruiting is working hard yes, however they are having phenomenal success at present and the number of new pilots out there that only want AA far exceeds those seeking other pastures. Stop listening to the rhetoric here and come to Envoy if AA is where you truly want to be.

Gotta disagree with you. Look at the PERCENTAGES. There is by far a MUCH smaller percentage being hired DIRECTLY from the WOs. (Even if you include flow) If you want to get to AA anytime soon, unless you are already within about 6 months of flowing, statically you are better off to leave and then apply while not working for a WO.

Time will tell what happens in the long term, but the flow was all about keeping folks at the WOs and still is. It’s just not working for pilots trying to get to mainline and because of that, it’s not keeping those pilots at the WOs either.

If you want to work for a specific WO, do it because it works for YOU. Don’t do it because you think it will get you to AA.

Its back........

they blocked him on his other username so he’s back on the old one

the bets are still out if cr700 and dacuj is the same dude or not, leaning towards not.

Yeah, I’m still betting not as well. Hard to believe there is more than one Envoy KoolAid swiller, but pretty sure this management shill isn’t the same one as he who shall remain unnamed.

I honestly never met an Eagle/Envoy koolaid peddler. Not since 2000 at least.

Im willing to bet most AA hires didn’t flow. Ever.

For a long while, I met more that got to Eagle via the reverse flow than ever went over.

AA considers the flow a joke in the sense that if you wait for it, they're laughing at you.

I heard they handed out a bunch of no-interview on the spot CJOs at NGPA. Anyone got the details? Did they exclude our guys again?

I saw that and wondered exactly that as well.

They called people for on site interviews and had them complete the online portion afterwards. I know of at least two ENY guys who got CJOs.

:eek:

I don’t want to be crass but were they actually GPs or just ambitious people in attendance for networking reasons?