How would they really know? I don’t think this is a question that can be asked.

Who tf cares if they were or not. They at least made the effort to attend while most of the guys here complaining only update their app and expect a call.

i care and have valid reasons for caring but there’s no answer and that’s fine

You’re a clown dude. Have you even tried getting out other than just filling out apps? Spirit and frontier are taking everyone with your experience but your attitude might be an automatic TBNT.

relax crazy :rolleyes:

why are people leaving? Don’t they know we can flow an extra 2 a month if they stay. :rolleyes:

Just about choked laughing! 🤣
You win the internet for the day!

The changes to United’s Aviate program announced recently are 2 years and 2,000 hours no interview required CJO to United. They just beat the AA flow by several years.

Several? They beat it by like 10 years on paper for a new hire today. You’d genuinely have to be crazy to come here for the flow. How does this timeline work for staffing the Aviate regionals though is the question? I think not very well if they actually deliver.

ps I’m about 3 years in at Envoy, I could leave today and go to GoJet and flow more than a year sooner.

United doesn't own most of those regionals. By their own premises, they won't need or want half of those regionals in five years anyway. They might as well bring the pilots in-house. In general, it's a win-win for everyone except ZW/C5 management.

Interesting perspective but it seems like a stretch. Corporations like Trans States Holdings exist to make money for their owners/shareholders, not give pilots 777 FO EWR on their 25th birthday.

I hope it’s real.

Curious how they are going to make that work. Any requirements to become a captain? They will run out of captains and experience at the regional.

If they do make it work, things are going to start being very competitive to get in as well as everyone else start scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Except that’s not the deal. Or, at least, it’s misleading. Yes they get a CJO once they are qualified, but they are still getting class dates in seniority order. UAL is “targeting” hiring 1-2% of the list per month. No guarantee. The equivalent point for ENY pilots is 12 months as CA. The DECs were in that position after one year. Does that mean ENY flow beats Aviate by a year?

Trying to understand your statement. How does 12 months as captain and DECs put anyone on an equivalent position as DECs have no seniority. Also, with training and just physical limitations, there is no way to get 2K hours with a carrier, best case at MAYBE 27-30 months and then there is still that whole seniority thing.

Well sounds like recruiters are back to blatant lying to candidates. A recruiter told someone I know well that they are just about to start giving AA seniority numbers to Envoy pilots.

Different recruiter faces, reverting to similar old lies, exact same upper management team.....
what's the one consistency there?

Its the same thing because at ENY after 12 months as a CA you are “qualified “ to go to AA. You just have to wait your turn. Under Aviate you’ll be “qualified” to go to UAL after 2000 hours, but… you still have to wait your turn. You can’t say Aviate outpaces ENY flow until we see how many Aviate candidates UAL is actually taking per month.

I’m not saying one or the other is better, just saying that we really don’t know yet how long the flow to UAL will be for someone hired today.

flow bonus now and aa nombre now or the REs will continue. sure AA has nice bases but they're virtually guaranteed to drag you through a ch. 11 within the next 10 years. united and delta (if you can stomach the culture), and some of the package people are all better options on their face.

CJO trade for AA class
 

Can anyone PM me who I should work with to try and turn my Legacy CJO into a AA CJO?

Which legacy?

that's not a thing, some have claimed that AA offered to interview them through the normal process based on a CJO from United but so far the only on-the-spot CJOs handed out without a real interview were at NGPA.

Any upcoming recruiting events?

WAI march 17 BNA, let's see how many free mainline jobs they give out at that one. If it's less than 20 AA confirmed for hating women.

Who cares
.........

I can’t take you seriously if you’re working for an AAG WO and talking bad about Delta’s culture. You should probably be at WAI next month networking to see what the real world is like instead of complaining on APC and FB about how life isn’t fair.

Contrary to what you’ve said it seems like you’re taking me very seriously. Chill crazy,

Not talking about the company, it’s the flight deck culture. I’ve been in plenty of Delta jumpseats and my impression is that it is worse than both AA and ENY. It mostly ranges from coldly professional to tense and hostile.

Could anybody share the health care plans cost this year ? 750,1500,2500 plans?

soo no more 300%. I wonder how many people will pick up OT at time and halff now

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for next month. I mean that LOA isnt going anywhere, im sayin they haven't announced any for April

Still plenty of time to announce it.

Believe it or not the staffing is improving.

You’re right.
Just because I saw it on APC doesn’t mean I believe it!🤣

lol, I was just telling the wife it looks like no 'super' next month so it looks like it's time to catch up on other things.

BTW, this is why the union should have pressed for something else more permanent. Company always had the power to make the LOA worthless by simply not declaring 'super'. But hay, it was 'geographical' while it lasted!

It is very surprising that there is not at least critical coverage for the transition. Even in the best of times that is almost always the case.

Maybe just like for turning on TTOT, someone forgot to send the message.

I bet it comes before the 4/5th. 300% is the new standard now, I hope no one picks anything up less than that

I bet it comes before the 4/5th. 300% is the new standard now, I hope no one picks anything up less than that

When you park planes and fly less block hours eventually it has to improve right?

It’s like they gave up and said cant have a pilot shortage if we take enough planes out of service

They’re probably testing the waters to see if they’ve got anybody desperate enough to fly for 1/8th of what they deserve.